Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 28/05/2014 13:42, Joost Roeleveld wrote: >>> Currently, I do the following: >>> > > Every year, a full backup >>> > > Then, every month, I have an incremental based on either the yearly or >>> > > previous monthly. >>> > > Ditto for the weekly (but then based on monthly or weekly) >>> > > And ag

Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-28 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Wednesday 28 May 2014 13:07:49 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 28/05/2014 11:58, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 May 2014 23:35:26 Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On 27/05/2014 17:12, J. Roeleveld wrote: > >>> I have a yearly (full), monthly, weekly and daily. Each incremental is > >>> against the

Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 28/05/2014 11:58, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > On Tuesday 27 May 2014 23:35:26 Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 27/05/2014 17:12, J. Roeleveld wrote: >>> I have a yearly (full), monthly, weekly and daily. Each incremental is >>> against the most recent one of itself or longer period. >>> That means having

Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-28 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 6:13 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > "app-backup/dar" uses catalogues for the incrementals. I think I will stick to > that for the foreseeable future. > I used to use that and sarab (which is a wrapper). I moved on to duplicity. The problem with dar is that it uses quite a

Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-28 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Tuesday 27 May 2014 11:28:17 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:12 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:31:26 AM Rich Freeman wrote: > >> btrfs wouldn't have any issues with this at all. You'd have an > >> advantage in that you wouldn't have to unmount the file

Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-28 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 28 May 2014 12:03 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > Always important. I just saw the other email which states that the > latest sysresccd supports it. That is fine for me. Sysresccd has supported btrfs for some time. I realise my mail could have been read otherwise, but the reason for keepi

Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-28 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Tuesday 27 May 2014 11:32:22 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:21 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > Does anyone know how these will handle (and perform) with a possible 300+ > > snapshots per filesystem (or volume, as I think it's called)? > > I can't speak for zfs. I had upwards of

Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-28 Thread Joost Roeleveld
On Tuesday 27 May 2014 23:35:26 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 27/05/2014 17:12, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > I have a yearly (full), monthly, weekly and daily. Each incremental is > > against the most recent one of itself or longer period. > > That means having to keep multiple snapshots active, which I pre

Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 27/05/2014 17:12, J. Roeleveld wrote: > I have a yearly (full), monthly, weekly and daily. Each incremental is > against > the most recent one of itself or longer period. > That means having to keep multiple snapshots active, which I prefer to avoid. > > But, it is a good idea for backing up

Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 27 May 2014 11:32:22 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > Oh, one other tip if you use btrfs - be sure you have a rescue disk > that supports it. Hint, the old Gentoo install CD I had lying around > didn't. You'll probably want to keep a rescue CD with a recent kernel > and btrfs-tools handy at

Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:21 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > Does anyone know how these will handle (and perform) with a possible 300+ > snapshots per filesystem (or volume, as I think it's called)? I can't speak for zfs. I had upwards of 1000 snapshots on my system before I stopped creating them hou

Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-27 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:12 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:31:26 AM Rich Freeman wrote: >> btrfs wouldn't have any issues with this at all. You'd have an >> advantage in that you wouldn't have to unmount the filesystem to >> cleanly create the snapshot (which you have to

Re: [gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-27 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 05:12:50 PM J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:31:26 AM Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 10:09 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: Forgot to add: For fileservers, I am starting to feel that ZFS or BTRFS snapshots are easier to work with as it makes r

[gentoo-user] Backups and snapshots [Was: Organising btrfs subvolumes]

2014-05-27 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:31:26 AM Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 10:09 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > I am still happily using LVM with snapshots. Those are instantaneous as > > well and I can then backup the snapshot, which on my server takes between > > 2 hours (incremental) and 3