Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 10:56 AM Dale wrote: > I agree. If you are committing international crimes, terrorism for > example, they will snoop on you and it doesn't matter much what you do or > use. If nothing else, they will put you on a super computer setup that > will crack whatever you are do

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Adam Carter wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 7:49 PM Neil Bothwick > wrote: > > > So tell us what is your perfect country for hardware manufacturing? > > There isn't one as you can never be sure. You are presenting hope, and > maybe likelihood, as certainty w

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 7:49 PM Neil Bothwick wrote: > > So tell us what is your perfect country for hardware manufacturing? > > There isn't one as you can never be sure. You are presenting hope, and > maybe likelihood, as certainty when this does not exist. > Datapoint - looks like Bloomberg is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On December 11, 2018 10:48:01 AM UTC, Dale wrote: >Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:00:45 -0500, taii...@gmx.com wrote: >> So that proves that US manufacturers are better at hiding their >back > doors? > > Or is it a numbers game, there are a hell of a lot more syste

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On December 11, 2018 2:00:45 AM UTC, "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: >On 12/10/2018 05:54 PM, Dale wrote: >> Neil Bothwick wrote: >>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:33:10 -0500, taii...@gmx.com wrote: >>> > Not sure which country would be a reliable location though, I > wouldn't trust Western European co

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:00:45 -0500, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > >>> So that proves that US manufacturers are better at hiding their back doors? Or is it a numbers game, there are a hell of a lot more systems made in China, so the chances of a backdoor being d

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 21:00:45 -0500, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > On 12/10/2018 05:54 PM, Dale wrote: > > Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:33:10 -0500, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > Not sure which country would be a reliable location though, I > wouldn't trust Western European

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On Tuesday, 11 December 2018 08:49:25 GMT Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:00:45 -0500, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > > So that proves that US manufacturers are better at hiding their back > > > > > >> doors? > > >> > > >> Or is it a numbers game, there are a hell of a lot more systems

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:00:45 -0500, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > So that proves that US manufacturers are better at hiding their back > >> doors? > >> > >> Or is it a numbers game, there are a hell of a lot more systems made > >> in China, so the chances of a backdoor being discovered is higher. > >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On 12/10/2018 05:54 PM, Dale wrote: > Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:33:10 -0500, taii...@gmx.com wrote: >> Not sure which country would be a reliable location though, I wouldn't trust Western European countries either. >>> USA is currently the best option since there ha

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:33:10 -0500, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > >>> Not sure which country would be a reliable location though, I >>> wouldn't trust Western European countries either. >> USA is currently the best option since there have never been proven >> backdoors in made i

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:33:10 -0500, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > Not sure which country would be a reliable location though, I > > wouldn't trust Western European countries either. > > USA is currently the best option since there have never been proven > backdoors in made in usa hardware but plen

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On 12/09/2018 01:57 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > On December 9, 2018 6:23:07 PM UTC, "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: >> On 12/07/2018 06:47 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >>> On 07/12/2018 09:30, Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > If you want to see all of the installed packages that are affected

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

J. Roeleveld wrote: > On December 9, 2018 6:23:07 PM UTC, "taii...@gmx.com" > wrote: > > On 12/07/2018 06:47 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > On 07/12/2018 09:30, Dale wrote: > > Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > If you want to see all of the installed packages t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On December 9, 2018 6:23:07 PM UTC, "taii...@gmx.com" wrote: >On 12/07/2018 06:47 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> On 07/12/2018 09:30, Dale wrote: >>> Nikos Chantziaras wrote: If you want to see all of the installed packages that are affected, you need to set CPU_FLAGS_X86 to an empty st

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On 12/07/2018 06:47 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 07/12/2018 09:30, Dale wrote: >> Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >>> If you want to see all of the installed packages that are affected, >>> you need to set CPU_FLAGS_X86 to an empty string: >>> >>>    CPU_FLAGS_X86="" >>> >>> and then do "emerge -puDN

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On Saturday, 8 December 2018 09:40:20 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote: > Hello David, > > On Saturday, 8 December 2018 05:38:17 GMT David Haller wrote: > > Hello, > > > > On Sat, 08 Dec 2018, David Haller wrote: > > >On Fri, 07 Dec 2018, Dale wrote: > > >>Peter Humphrey wrote: > > >>> Have you tried gkr

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Hello David, On Saturday, 8 December 2018 05:38:17 GMT David Haller wrote: > Hello, > > On Sat, 08 Dec 2018, David Haller wrote: > >On Fri, 07 Dec 2018, Dale wrote: > >>Peter Humphrey wrote: > >>> Have you tried gkrellm? It's very neat. Sits in a vertical strip at > >>> the side of your screen an

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Hello, On Sat, 08 Dec 2018, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >On 08/12/2018 07:33, David Haller wrote: >> *Meh* >> >> I miss my Matrox Mystique (first model w/170MHz RAMDAC!) with a >> whopping 4 MB SGRAM, and not even a heatsink, just the plain naked >> chip, much less a fan, and it ran in a PCI slot, a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Hello, On Fri, 07 Dec 2018, Dale wrote: >David Haller wrote: >> On Fri, 07 Dec 2018, Dale wrote: >>> Peter Humphrey wrote: Have you tried gkrellm? It's very neat. Sits in a vertical strip at the side of your screen and shows a whole load of things all at once. I've been using it for

[gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On 08/12/2018 07:33, David Haller wrote: *Meh* I miss my Matrox Mystique (first model w/170MHz RAMDAC!) with a whopping 4 MB SGRAM, and not even a heatsink, just the plain naked chip, much less a fan, and it ran in a PCI slot, at about ~4.5W (or was it 5W?) theoretical max usage... As it happe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

David Haller wrote: > Hello, > > On Sat, 08 Dec 2018, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> On 08/12/2018 03:01, Dale wrote: >>> I just noticed the video card that is coming requires a power cable.  I >>> never had one that powerful before.  O_O >> You've been out of the loop it seems. GPUs have required pow

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Hello, On Sat, 08 Dec 2018, David Haller wrote: >On Fri, 07 Dec 2018, Dale wrote: >>Peter Humphrey wrote: >>> Have you tried gkrellm? It's very neat. Sits in a vertical strip at >>> the side of your screen and shows a whole load of things all at >>> once. I've been using it for donkeys' years. >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

David Haller wrote: > Hello, > > On Fri, 07 Dec 2018, Dale wrote: >> Peter Humphrey wrote: >>> Have you tried gkrellm? It's very neat. Sits in a vertical strip at >>> the side of your screen and shows a whole load of things all at >>> once. I've been using it for donkeys' years. >> That's what I ge

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Hello, On Sat, 08 Dec 2018, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >On 08/12/2018 03:01, Dale wrote: >> I just noticed the video card that is coming requires a power cable.  I >> never had one that powerful before.  O_O > >You've been out of the loop it seems. GPUs have required power cables for >over a decade

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Hello, On Fri, 07 Dec 2018, Dale wrote: >Peter Humphrey wrote: >> Have you tried gkrellm? It's very neat. Sits in a vertical strip at >> the side of your screen and shows a whole load of things all at >> once. I've been using it for donkeys' years. > >That's what I generally use.  I don't see a pl

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 08/12/2018 03:01, Dale wrote: >> I just noticed the video card that is coming requires a power cable.  I >> never had one that powerful before.  O_O > > You've been out of the loop it seems. GPUs have required power cables > for over a decade now. The GPU I use actuall

[gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On 08/12/2018 03:01, Dale wrote: I just noticed the video card that is coming requires a power cable.  I never had one that powerful before.  O_O You've been out of the loop it seems. GPUs have required power cables for over a decade now. The GPU I use actually needs *two* power cables and pl

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Friday, 7 December 2018 12:41:06 GMT Dale wrote: >> Peter Humphrey wrote: >>> On Friday, 7 December 2018 00:19:24 GMT Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > I don't use lm-sensors either. KSysGuard sees the kernel sensors just > fine without it. You just need

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 07/12/2018 09:30, Dale wrote: >> Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >>> If you want to see all of the installed packages that are affected, >>> you need to set CPU_FLAGS_X86 to an empty string: >>> >>>    CPU_FLAGS_X86="" >>> >>> and then do "emerge -puDN --with-bdeps=y @world".

[gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On 07/12/2018 09:30, Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: If you want to see all of the installed packages that are affected, you need to set CPU_FLAGS_X86 to an empty string:   CPU_FLAGS_X86="" and then do "emerge -puDN --with-bdeps=y @world". This is because CPU_FLAGS_X86 is not empty by de

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On Friday, 7 December 2018 12:41:06 GMT Dale wrote: > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Friday, 7 December 2018 00:19:24 GMT Dale wrote: > >> Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >>> I don't use lm-sensors either. KSysGuard sees the kernel sensors just > >>> fine without it. You just need to add them in the KSysG

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Friday, 7 December 2018 00:19:24 GMT Dale wrote: >> Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >>> I don't use lm-sensors either. KSysGuard sees the kernel sensors just >>> fine without it. You just need to add them in the KSysGuard options. >> Got it. I did some digging but I found it.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On Fri, Dec 07, 2018 at 01:30:48AM -0600, Dale wrote: > > One last question for anyone who has done this recently.  When finished, > I'll have a FX-8350 CPU with 8 cores at 4.0/4.2GHz, 32GBs of memory all > on a Gigabyte 970 series mobo.  Would there be any point in upgrading to > a whole new rig

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On Friday, 7 December 2018 00:19:24 GMT Dale wrote: > Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > I don't use lm-sensors either. KSysGuard sees the kernel sensors just > > fine without it. You just need to add them in the KSysGuard options. > > Got it. I did some digging but I found it. I had to add a tab and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 07/12/2018 07:10, Dale wrote: >> Now this is odd.  I changed the settings and ran emerge.  I decided to >> use -UDNa options to see if it would catch the changes.  It did.  Thing >> is, outside a few video type packages, there were no packages to be >> rebuilt.  It see

[gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On 07/12/2018 07:10, Dale wrote: Now this is odd.  I changed the settings and ran emerge.  I decided to use -UDNa options to see if it would catch the changes.  It did.  Thing is, outside a few video type packages, there were no packages to be rebuilt.  It seems very few packages actually notice

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 07/12/2018 01:23, Dale wrote: >> Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >>> On 06/12/2018 23:45, Dale wrote: >> I also sometimes convert videos which can get CPU and/or memory hungry. > > Video encoding is one of the prime example where more cores will scale > very well. You can alm

[gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On 07/12/2018 01:23, Dale wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/12/2018 23:45, Dale wrote: I also sometimes convert videos which can get CPU and/or memory hungry. Video encoding is one of the prime example where more cores will scale very well. You can almost halve encoding time by doubling

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 06/12/2018 23:45, Dale wrote: >>> >>> You won't get anything close to double the speed. The extra cores will >>> mostly go unused, unless you use applications that make use of them. >>> >>> You will still get a speed up due to the newer CPU architecture and >>> the hig

[gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On 06/12/2018 23:45, Dale wrote: You won't get anything close to double the speed. The extra cores will mostly go unused, unless you use applications that make use of them. You will still get a speed up due to the newer CPU architecture and the higher frequency. What I was thinking about is s

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 06/12/2018 11:27, Dale wrote: >> >> I've bought but not yet installed a FX-8350 CPU.  I have this in my >> make.conf file: >> >> CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe" >> USE_CPU=" > > USE_CPU does not do anything, AFAICT. CPU features are specified in > CPU_FLAGS_X86. You c

[gentoo-user] Re: CPU upgrade and LVM questions.

On 06/12/2018 11:27, Dale wrote: I've bought but not yet installed a FX-8350 CPU.  I have this in my make.conf file: CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe" USE_CPU=" USE_CPU does not do anything, AFAICT. CPU features are specified in CPU_FLAGS_X86. You can get appropriate flags using the app-port