Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-08 Thread b.n.
Justin Findlay ha scritto: I don't claim that everybody should contribute the same effort or work or any work at all, but rather that you ought to at least care. Since I am not nor I can be a dev, can you explain me (1)how could I care (2)what kind of effort could I contribute? Contributing

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-08 Thread Martin Pittle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Justin Findlay wrote: On AD 2007 January 07 Sunday 11:51:59 PM +0100, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: But *I*, as a user (this is -user, after all!) don't feel bothered by any kind of bureaucracy. Please explain first why I should take action at all at

[gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread Ivan Sakhalin
Dear friends and fellow Gentooists, I apologize for intruding onto your mailinglist, but what I wish to say is of great enough importance to me. My contributions are not much to speak of, and I've been silent for a long time. So I guess, like many before me, I will be stoned as a

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi, On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 22:14:26 +0100 Ivan Sakhalin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Now, you that have read this far may wonder, what is my point? Quite simple, comrades. It is a warning I bring you, and I ask you to stop for a moment and reflect upon the situation we have right now.

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread b.n.
As a user -not a dev, both because I have not the required knowledge nor the sparing time- these are my answers: I apologize for intruding onto your mailinglist, but what I wish to say is of great enough importance to me. You don't intrude onto my mailing list with people for something

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread Dale
b.n. wrote: As a user -not a dev, both because I have not the required knowledge nor the sparing time- these are my answers: snip These removals even went outside the ranks of developers - the hostile takeover of some IRC channels has caused unneeded tension between groups that

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread b.n.
Dale ha scritto: He did post this to the dev list. He posted it there first, well, I got it there first. I guess he could have sent it to both at the same time. snip Yes, but why inflaming us? Me too, but I'm really unsure you're really helping. m. Oh, I just bit the flamebait :)

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread Markus Schönhaber
Ivan Sakhalin wrote: I apologize for intruding onto your mailinglist, but what I wish to say is of great enough importance to me. Just my thoughts: if you think you have something important to say, why don't you simply say it but instead start with thoughts about life, universe and

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread Dale
b.n. wrote: Dale ha scritto: He did post this to the dev list. He posted it there first, well, I got it there first. I guess he could have sent it to both at the same time. snip Yes, but why inflaming us? Me too, but I'm really unsure you're really helping. m. Oh, I just bit the

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread Justin Findlay
On AD 2007 January 07 Sunday 11:51:59 PM +0100, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: But *I*, as a user (this is -user, after all!) don't feel bothered by any kind of bureaucracy. Please explain first why I should take action at all at the moment. And why I shouldn't just go and take the next distro that

Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo

2007-01-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:15:43 -0700, Justin Findlay wrote: You won't be bothered by bureacuracy untill the day you discover that that package you want has been left months ago to fall into ignominious forgottenness among the thicket of bugzilla ebuild requests or the day you discover your