[gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Philip Webb
Apologies for the elementary questions, but I'm a bit slow to change (smile). In designing my new machine, I assumed that I would simply transfer the CD drive from the existing box to the new one, but (1) the new mobo seems to have only SATA sockets & (2) CD drives seem to be going the same way as

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Mick
On Monday 20 Aug 2012 11:21:39 Philip Webb wrote: > Apologies for the elementary questions, but I'm a bit slow to change > (smile). > > In designing my new machine, I assumed that I would simply transfer > the CD drive from the existing box to the new one, > but (1) the new mobo seems to have only

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:19:23 +0100, Mick wrote: > Given your adoption rate of new technology I suggest you consider > buying a BluRay player if not recorder, because I don't know how long > it will be before DVDs become obsolete too. Unfortunately BluRay > devices were out of my price range last

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:19:23 +0100, Mick wrote: > > > Given your adoption rate of new technology I suggest you consider > > buying a BluRay player if not recorder, because I don't know how long > > it will be before DVDs become obsolete too. Unfortunately BluRay > > device

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Andrea Conti
>> (1) do I need to configure the kernel to find the drive ? It's basically handled exactly the same as a CD drive, so you need the same configuration options you would use for that. > Yes. As a minimum have a look at BLK_DEV_SR and BLK_DEV_SR_VENDOR. You may > also need SCSI_PROC_FS for legac

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Mick wrote: > On Monday 20 Aug 2012 11:21:39 Philip Webb wrote: >> Apologies for the elementary questions, but I'm a bit slow to change >> (smile). >> >> In designing my new machine, I assumed that I would simply transfer >> the CD drive from the existing box to th

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Andrea Conti wrote: > As for the standards, if you're just burning backups they're basically > equivalent. The +RW standard is theoretically more flexible as media can > be formatted in a "packet" mode which allows (almost) random r/w access, > but in my experience software support and reliabilit

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Michael Mol wrote: > Along comes the DVD+R format. The DVD+R format has some variances in > *how* data is represented on disc, but to the player that doesn't know > any better, it looks just like any other DVD. The big difference DVD+R > brought was that the 'book type' field was burnable on any

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Michael Mol wrote: > >> Along comes the DVD+R format. The DVD+R format has some variances in >> *how* data is represented on disc, but to the player that doesn't know >> any better, it looks just like any other DVD. The big difference DVD+

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Aug 20, 2012 7:47 PM, "Andrea Conti" wrote: > [snip] > > > > Yes, +RW, -RW, but don't know much more on this other than older DVD writers > > would only do one format not another and if you didn't pay attention to the > > specification/limitations of your hardware you could end up buying the

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Michael Mol wrote: > I alluded to this in my description of DVD-R. Thank you for correcting > my description of implementation details, though. (Obviously, you > don't need a special burner, but you do need to buy specially-licensed > media.) Well, if you manage to get unwritten DVD- media, you

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Aug 20, 2012 8:51 PM, "Pandu Poluan" wrote: > > > On Aug 20, 2012 7:47 PM, "Andrea Conti" wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > Yes, +RW, -RW, but don't know much more on this other than older DVD writers > > > would only do one format not another and if you didn't pay attention to the > > > spe

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Pandu Poluan wrote: > +RW *can* be erased, or else it won't be called RW :-) Not it definitely can't. You just may overwrite it. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fok

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Michael Mol wrote: > >> I alluded to this in my description of DVD-R. Thank you for correcting >> my description of implementation details, though. (Obviously, you >> don't need a special burner, but you do need to buy specially-licensed >

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Pandu Poluan wrote: > >> +RW *can* be erased, or else it won't be called RW :-) > > Not it definitely can't. > > You just may overwrite it. Communications issue: You guys are talking about different encoding layers. -- :wq

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread microcai
2012/8/20 Philip Webb : > Apologies for the elementary questions, but I'm a bit slow to change (smile). > > In designing my new machine, I assumed that I would simply transfer > the CD drive from the existing box to the new one, > but (1) the new mobo seems to have only SATA sockets > & (2) CD driv

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Pandu Poluan wrote: > On Aug 20, 2012 8:51 PM, "Pandu Poluan" wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 20, 2012 7:47 PM, "Andrea Conti" wrote: > > +RW *can* be erased, or else it won't be called RW :-) > > > > That said, the difference is much deeper than differing metadata. Among > which : > > > > * +RW use

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Michael Mol wrote: > > I did give these arguments: There are variouy problems media compatibility > > of > > you use DVD+ with different drives. > > Your description runs counter to my experience. But that's not > terribly surprising; there will of course be players which won't > handle DVD+ med

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Philip Webb wrote: > Apologies for the elementary questions, but I'm a bit slow to change (smile). > > In designing my new machine, I assumed that I would simply transfer > the CD drive from the existing box to the new one, > but (1) the new mobo seems to have only

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Michael Mol wrote: > >> > I did give these arguments: There are variouy problems media compatibility >> > of >> > you use DVD+ with different drives. >> >> Your description runs counter to my experience. But that's not >> terribly surpri

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Michael Mol wrote: > Walk into any old store and buy a $15-$30 drive. Most burners these > days support burning CD-R, CD-RW, DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD-RAM. > Writing dual-layer discs is slightly less common, but still cheap and > easy to get. Looking at the pile of writers I have at home, there

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Michael Mol
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Michael Mol wrote: > >> Walk into any old store and buy a $15-$30 drive. Most burners these >> days support burning CD-R, CD-RW, DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD-RAM. >> Writing dual-layer discs is slightly less common, but still cheap and >> ea

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Aug 20, 2012 10:12 PM, "Joerg Schilling" < joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote: > > Pandu Poluan wrote: > > > On Aug 20, 2012 8:51 PM, "Pandu Poluan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 2012 7:47 PM, "Andrea Conti" wrote: > > > > +RW *can* be erased, or else it won't be called RW :-) >

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Dale
microcai wrote: > 2012/8/20 Philip Webb : > >> (2) what software do Gentoo users use to read/write DVDs ? > k3b is a good one > If you don't use KDE or Gnome, try this one: app-cdr/tkdvd It's simple but it worked last time I tried it. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-20 Thread Walter Dnes
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 06:21:39AM -0400, Philip Webb wrote > so I'm now planning to buy a new DVD drive & to start using DVDs. > I wb using them only for back-ups, not playing music or videos. > > This looks like a good enough item : > ASUS DRW-24B1ST 24x SATA Black R 48x W 8x OEM : CAD 24,99

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-21 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Montag, 20. August 2012, 23:12:14 schrieb Pandu Poluan: > On Aug 20, 2012 10:12 PM, "Joerg Schilling" < > > joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote: > > Pandu Poluan wrote: > > > On Aug 20, 2012 8:51 PM, "Pandu Poluan" wrote: > > > > On Aug 20, 2012 7:47 PM, "Andrea Conti" wrote: > > > >

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-21 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > hm, I also had much besser results with + media. +rw and +r. I always get the + stuff too. No problems so far. < knock on wood > Dale :-) :-) P. S. I knocked to hard. Now my head hurts. LOL -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you un

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-21 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Dale wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> hm, I also had much besser results with + media. +rw and +r. > > I always get the + stuff too. No problems so far. < knock on wood > If it's turning into a survey, these are what I use: Sony/NEC Optiarc drive with bi

Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : DVD drive

2012-08-21 Thread Dale
Paul Hartman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Dale wrote: >> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >>> hm, I also had much besser results with + media. +rw and +r. >> I always get the + stuff too. No problems so far. < knock on wood > > If it's turning into a survey, these are what I use: > > Son