Re: [gentoo-user] some of the stuff in /usr that's become a problem

2013-10-01 Thread Greg Woodbury
On 09/29/2013 11:13 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 09:21:01PM -0500, Daniel Campbell wrote: /usr/lib/udev. /usr/lib/systemd. were both placed in /usr despite objections from a number of folks. So claims that udev and systemd are not responsible are not true.

Re: [gentoo-user] some of the stuff in /usr that's become a problem

2013-10-01 Thread Greg Woodbury
On 09/29/2013 11:40 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: You're right, though; it's a problem that lots of programs have. I guess it's the natural result of modular software that has interdependencies. You basically need *everything* available on boot. You don't need everything (obviously -- otherwise

Re: [gentoo-user] some of the stuff in /usr that's become a problem

2013-10-01 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 01/10/2013 10:30, Greg Woodbury wrote: All that is required is that the programs and libraries necessary to locate and mount root and then to find and mount other filesystems be in root. Please provide the full and complete list of all code on all Gentoo systems that are required in all

Re: [gentoo-user] some of the stuff in /usr that's become a problem

2013-09-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:03:11 -0400, Greg Woodbury wrote: One of the most obvious things that broke booting with a seperate /usr is not GNOMEs fault, but GRUB 2's fault. How so? All the files GRUB2 needs to boot are in /boot and GRUB is out of the picture before the kernel loads or mounts /,

[gentoo-user] some of the stuff in /usr that's become a problem

2013-09-29 Thread Greg Woodbury
One of the most obvious things that broke booting with a seperate /usr is not GNOMEs fault, but GRUB 2's fault. the move of /bin to /usr/bin (for things like cp,mv,ln,ls) came after the breakage of /usr, but is symptomatic of some distros cavalier attitudes to the problem.

Re: [gentoo-user] some of the stuff in /usr that's become a problem

2013-09-29 Thread Daniel Campbell
On 09/29/2013 09:03 PM, Greg Woodbury wrote: One of the most obvious things that broke booting with a seperate /usr is not GNOMEs fault, but GRUB 2's fault. the move of /bin to /usr/bin (for things like cp,mv,ln,ls) came after the breakage of /usr, but is symptomatic of some distros cavalier

Re: [gentoo-user] some of the stuff in /usr that's become a problem

2013-09-29 Thread William Hubbs
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 09:21:01PM -0500, Daniel Campbell wrote: /usr/lib/udev. /usr/lib/systemd. were both placed in /usr despite objections from a number of folks. So claims that udev and systemd are not responsible are not true. Udev is installed in / in gentoo. I am a

Re: [gentoo-user] some of the stuff in /usr that's become a problem

2013-09-29 Thread Daniel Campbell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/29/2013 10:13 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 09:21:01PM -0500, Daniel Campbell wrote: /usr/lib/udev. /usr/lib/systemd. were both placed in /usr despite objections from a number of folks. So claims that udev and