Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-18 Thread Michael Weyershäuser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mick wrote: > > Of course not necessary for the kernel (as Michael Weyershäuser > already said), but what about the copy of the .config file? OK, copying the .config file to /boot/ would be a good idea if you do so. However it is not necessary to do

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-17 Thread Erik Westenbroek
I like compile-in, generally less work must be done (just a hair, but it is less) On 6/17/06, Mick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 17/06/06, Anthony E. Caudel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mick wrote: > > On 13/06/06, Ryan Tandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Anthony E. Caudel wrote: > >> > > >> >

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-17 Thread Mick
On 17/06/06, Anthony E. Caudel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mick wrote: > On 13/06/06, Ryan Tandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Anthony E. Caudel wrote: >> > >> > How? "make modules_install" or the whole thing: "make && make >> > modules_install" then just modprobe the new module? >> >> # make mod

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-17 Thread Anthony E. Caudel
Mick wrote: > On 13/06/06, Ryan Tandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Anthony E. Caudel wrote: >> > >> > How? "make modules_install" or the whole thing: "make && make >> > modules_install" then just modprobe the new module? >> >> # make modules modules_install >> # modprobe > > Do you also need to

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-17 Thread Michael Weyershäuser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mick wrote: > Do you also need to run "&& make install" or is it not necessary to > copy anything to /boot? No need for that if you have only added modules. "make modules" only builds the modules, not the kernel itself, so copying the kernel to /boot

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-17 Thread Mick
On 13/06/06, Ryan Tandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anthony E. Caudel wrote: > > How? "make modules_install" or the whole thing: "make && make > modules_install" then just modprobe the new module? # make modules modules_install # modprobe Do you also need to run "&& make install" or is it not

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-12 Thread Teresa and Dale
Anthony E. Caudel wrote: >Teresa and Dale wrote: > > > >>Care to guess how much I like modules: >> >> >> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] / # lsmod >>>Module Size Used by >>>nvidia 4551892 12 >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] / # >>> >>> >>I would have that one in there if I co

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-12 Thread Ryan Tandy
Anthony E. Caudel wrote: How? "make modules_install" or the whole thing: "make && make modules_install" then just modprobe the new module? # make modules modules_install # modprobe -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-12 Thread Mike Huber
Yea, of course you can do that, though you have to be careful if your kernel tree has changed to a different version than the one you're booted from (usually you can still just force the module to load, but a module from a different kernel tree may not want to play nicely with everything else). O

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-12 Thread Anthony E. Caudel
Michael Weyershäuser wrote: > I usualy start with a kernel with almost everything compiled in (but > only things I definitely need), only using modules when I have to > (USB for suspend2 comes to my mind). Over time whenever I need > something new (filesystem, hardware driver,...) I tend to compile

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-12 Thread kashani
Evan Klitzke wrote: On 6/11/06, Anthony E. Caudel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was wondering what gentoo-users think and practice about kernel modules. Do most compile them in the kernel or load them at boot-up. I have heard a security argument made that it is safer to compile everything into

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:16:56 -0700, Evan Klitzke wrote: > I have heard a security argument made that it is safer to compile > everything into the kernel, and disable support for modules entirely. > The reason for this is that if someone can load malicious modules on > your system they can basicall

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-12 Thread Jarry
Evan Klitzke wrote: I have heard a security argument made that it is safer to compile everything into the kernel, and disable support for modules entirely. I would say this is "a must" on server. This way you would close one potential security leak. Of course, it does not help if you leave a fe

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-12 Thread Evan Klitzke
On 6/11/06, Anthony E. Caudel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I was wondering what gentoo-users think and practice about kernel modules. Do most compile them in the kernel or load them at boot-up. I have heard a security argument made that it is safer to compile everything into the kernel, and disa

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-12 Thread Daniel da Veiga
On 6/12/06, Michael Weyershäuser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I usualy start with a kernel with almost everything compiled in (but only things I definitely need), only using modules when I have to (USB for suspend2 comes to my mind). Over time whenever

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-12 Thread Michael Weyershäuser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I usualy start with a kernel with almost everything compiled in (but only things I definitely need), only using modules when I have to (USB for suspend2 comes to my mind). Over time whenever I need something new (filesystem, hardware driver,...) I tend

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-11 Thread Mike Huber
Well, all mileage may vary. Personally, I prefer to not have things loaded into the kernel when I'm not using them. It's not really a performance or a memory saving thing, but more of an OCD thing. I'm sure that, in the grand scheme of things, the little time/power/whatever I save by keeping th

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-11 Thread Mike Huber
oh, there is one thing where it is useful to have modules. That would be projects where the codebase will be updated more often than you update your kernels (I'm looking at you ALSA). In those circumstances it may be more valuable to have the flexibility to update code without having to reboot (

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-11 Thread Kristian Poul Herkild
Anthony E. Caudel wrote: > I was wondering what gentoo-users think and practice about kernel > modules. Do most compile them in the kernel or load them at boot-up. > > Note that I'm _NOT_ talking about those modules that have to be compiled > in such as for your filesystem. This is about the othe

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-11 Thread Anthony E. Caudel
Teresa and Dale wrote: > Care to guess how much I like modules: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # lsmod >> Module Size Used by >> nvidia 4551892 12 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # > > > I would have that one in there if I could. I never did like them. > Why? -- Those who

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-11 Thread Steven Susbauer
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Anthony E. Caudel wrote: > I was wondering what gentoo-users think and practice about kernel > modules. Do most compile them in the kernel or load them at boot-up. > > Note that I'm _NOT_ talking about those modules that have to be compiled > in such as for your filesystem.

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-11 Thread gentuxx
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anthony E. Caudel wrote: > I was wondering what gentoo-users think and practice about kernel > modules. Do most compile them in the kernel or load them at boot-up. > > Note that I'm _NOT_ talking about those modules that have to be compiled > in such

Re: [gentoo-user] Module philosophy: Compile-in or Load

2006-06-11 Thread Teresa and Dale
Anthony E. Caudel wrote: >I was wondering what gentoo-users think and practice about kernel >modules. Do most compile them in the kernel or load them at boot-up. > >Note that I'm _NOT_ talking about those modules that have to be compiled >in such as for your filesystem. This is about the other on