Re: [geo] Re: Arctic methane

2011-05-09 Thread Andrew Lockley
Using liquid air to seal methane vents may well work. Using it for general cooling of the sea or land surface will not. Oxides of nitrogen are critical in the formation of hydroxyl radicals. They therefore play a key role in the breakdown of methane. Although greenhouse gases in their own right

Re: [geo] Re: Arctic methane

2011-05-09 Thread Michael Hayes
On the issue of using Lair as a vent sealant, I may be wrong, but, I do believe the ice formed would most likely float away. And, a vent would be most likely more of a diffused field of bubble streams as opposed to a central "vent". Also, capping such a vent with even cement will be eventually

Re: [geo] Re: Arctic methane

2011-05-09 Thread Andrew Lockley
You should be able to detect methane release using gas samplers on buoys or the sea bed. Hydrophones may also detect bubbles. Autonomous ships could also be used, or data could be collected from any existing marine traffic. Aerial imaging could detect larger releases. Putting liquid air into the s

Re: [geo] Re: Arctic methane

2011-05-09 Thread Michael Hayes
Unfortunately, my personal belief is that we have already failed (time wise) and that the policy makers will not recognize the need for large scale efforts in time to avoid the first tipping point from developing. Look at the arctic data for April. There is an unusually high temperature formation

Re: [geo] Re: Vatican Report

2011-05-09 Thread Ken Caldeira
The inclusion of the word "only" renders Josh's statement false: In particular - only Biochar (and not all of CDR) provides rather than requires energy AND Biochar is the only CDR approach that provides out-year climate benefits. Biomass energy combined with carbon capture and geologic storage (B

Re: [geo] Re: Vatican Report

2011-05-09 Thread Joshua Horton
Please note that I did not make this statement, I leave it to Ron to address ... Josh On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Ken Caldeira < kcalde...@carnegie.stanford.edu> wrote: > The inclusion of the word "only" renders Josh's statement false: > > In particular - only Biochar (and not all of CDR) pr

Re: [geo] Re: Vatican Report

2011-05-09 Thread Ron Larson
Josh, Ken, List I also am perplexed. By "out year", I meant several things: increased soil productivity, reduced fertilizer requirements, reduced irrigation needs and likely less N2O release. Possibly for millennia, certainly centuries. Energy provision follows from the desirable use

Re: [geo] Re: Vatican Report

2011-05-09 Thread Ron Larson
Tim and list I should have mentioned both BECCS and enhanced weathering in my list of comparisons. But neither violate the twin claims re Biochar I am making: energy release (carbon neutral) and out-year (some carbon-neutral, some carbon-negative) benefits. I also am not saying these othe

Re: [geo] Re: Vatican Report

2011-05-09 Thread Rau, Greg
Unclear on the statement “only Biochar ...provides rather than requires energy...” Unless I’m missing something biochar requires massive solar energy input, meaning massive land (and/or ocean?) area management, and probably water and nutrient management as well (additional energy requirements?)

[geo] Re: Arctic methane

2011-05-09 Thread Mark Massmann
John and All- Andrew makes a great point. If methane release tends to be limited to vents or so-called "hotspots", and the number of vents is a reasonable amount, the use of Lair or LN2 to freeze and seal these vents becomes MUCH more feasible than trying to cool/refreeze large permafrost regions.

[geo] Re: Arctic methane

2011-05-09 Thread Mark Massmann
John and All- Mr. Lockley makes a great point. If methane release tends to be limited to vents or so-called "hotspots", and the number of vents is a reasonable amount, the use of Lair or LN2 to freeze and seal these vents becomes MUCH more feasible than trying to cool/refreeze large permafrost reg

Re: [geo] Re: Vatican Report

2011-05-09 Thread rongretlarson
Prof. Rau: 1. It will take a while to get around the pay wall for the House article [ ^ House, K.Z., House, C.H, Schrag, D.P., Aziz, M.J. Electrochemical acceleration of chemical weathering as an energetically feasible approach to mitigating anthropogenic climate change. Environ. Sci. Technol.

Re: [geo] Re: Vatican Report

2011-05-09 Thread rongretlarson
Greg, List, etal (Hoping that Dr. Hansen finds time to read little items like this - if from Dr. Rau) see inserts below - Original Message - From: "Greg Rau" To: rongretlar...@comcast.net Cc: "geoengineering" , joshuahorton...@gmail.com, "James Hansen" , "James Hansen" Sent:

Re: [geo] Re: Vatican Report

2011-05-09 Thread Michael Hayes
I would like to offer two suggestion. There is growing use of Biochar in china at the consumer level through this type of product. http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/singfieldgas Close evaluation of that trend may prove insightful to the Biochar issue. Please note that this type of reactor is

[geo] Re: Speaking of methane...

2011-05-09 Thread Michael Hayes
Please, transpose that situation upon this one. Geologic Sequestration of Carbon Dioxide http://water.epa.gov/type/groundwater/uic/wells_sequestration.cfm Carbonated well water? Or http://www.canadiancleanpowercoalition.com/pdf/CTS7%20-%20Pipe%20Costs.pdf Texas oil fields are notorious leake

[geo] CDR: The physicists weigh in

2011-05-09 Thread Rau, Greg
"This report explores direct air capture (DAC) of carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere with chemicals. DAC involves a system in which ambient air flows over a chemical sorbent that selectively removes the CO2. The CO2 is then released as a concentrated stream for disposal or reuse, while the

[geo] Lecture on Methane Hydrates by Dr. Mariam Kastner

2011-05-09 Thread Michael Hayes
Hi All, This is a 1hr. lecture that is highly informative as to the state of knowledge on the issue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSTm6cZjO14&feature=related In dealing with vents, one possible path came to mind as I watched the lecture. That is, accelerating methane aerobic oxidation thr

RE: [geo] Lecture on Methane Hydrates by Dr. Mariam Kastner

2011-05-09 Thread Veli Albert Kallio
"This technique would require a wave/solar powered buoy feeding a microbubble stream(s) down the anchoring line to the appropriate depth. This type of buoy could also function as a monitoring station reporting multiple sounding via sat. link." There is even much better systems such as Mixox,