Re: [geo] Asilomar moments: formative framings in recombinant DNA and solar climate engineering research

2014-12-21 Thread Ken Caldeira
Alan, We are agreed that there is a need for governance when there is some expectation of substantial direct effect. As you suggest, the physical descriptions of proposed activities should determine whether a governance regime is triggered. Best, Ken ___ Ken Caldeira Carnegie Ins

Re: [geo] Asilomar moments: formative framings in recombinant DNA and solar climate engineering research

2014-12-21 Thread Alan Robock
Dear Ken, The analog I see with nuclear weapons testing is the potential damage to the environment by the outdoor experiment. After we realized the local effects of the radioactivity we moved testing underground, and then for political reasons stopped testing all together. Clearly small out

Re: [geo] Asilomar moments: formative framings in recombinant DNA and solar climate engineering research

2014-12-21 Thread Ken Caldeira
As I mentioned, the position I present below is not absolute, but there are many reasons why nuclear weapons testing is a poor analogue for scientific experiments aimed at understand effects of a modified albedo. In the case of nuclear weapons testing, doing the test demonstrates the ability to in

[geo] Stratospheric aerosol particles and solar-radiation management : Nature Climate Change : Nature Publishing Group

2014-12-21 Thread Andrew Lockley
Poster's note : this has been lost in my drafts for literally 2 years, but it's a good paper - so I'm sending it now. The abstract's a bit thin, so if someone's got a copy, it would be great to have on the list. http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v2/n10/full/nclimate1528.html Stratospheric a

Re: [geo] Asilomar moments: formative framings in recombinant DNA and solar climate engineering research

2014-12-21 Thread Ken Caldeira
This kind of thinking is dangerous: *Even small-scale field tests with negligible impacts on the physicalenvironment warrant additional governance as they raise broaderconcerns that go beyond the immediate impacts of individualexperiments.* This is not an absolute position, but we should start

[geo] Asilomar moments: formative framings in recombinant DNA and solar climate engineering research

2014-12-21 Thread Andrew Lockley
Poster's note : I personally feel that it's extremely dangerous to "warrant additional governance" for experiments with "negligible impacts". It potentially invites a situation which bears an uncomfortably close parallel to the theologians refusing to look down Galileo's telescope. http://rsta.r

[geo] New study assesses potential challenges to BECCS deployment – Wil Burns | WGC

2014-12-21 Thread Andrew Lockley
Poster's note : the referenced paper has a very short abstract, so I'm sharing this blog post instead. Please read the post online if possible, where important links and formatting are preserved. http://dcgeoconsortium.org/2014/11/30/wil-burns-new-study-assesses-potential-challenges-to-beccs-deplo

RE: [geo] The flawed appeal of unilateral Direct Air Capture programs to prevent climate change | Deich

2014-12-21 Thread Rau, Greg
I share your concern, Peter. In seeking the require blessings to move forward with RD&D, we can point to the global scale demonstration of CDR already occurring. As I've pointed out before (OK, like a broken record), global atmospheric CO2 concentrations temporarily decline each year, even at th

RE: [geo] The flawed appeal of unilateral Direct Air Capture programs to prevent climate change | DeichMg- bicarbonate solutions,

2014-12-21 Thread Schuiling, R.D. (Olaf)
One can save money by not making artificial tree-like CO2 catchers (and save us that ugly unnatural sight), but by using the “technology” that the Earth has always applied to collect and safely store CO2 for the last 4.5 billion years. Weather basic silicates in soils (where the CO2 pressure is

[geo] Re: Bright water AGU presentation on BBC

2014-12-21 Thread Russell Seitz
I have no problem with the AGU presentation as the authors's cited the bright water paper up front in their abstract, but I've tweeted Rebecca Morelle asking her to read the original, whic despite the up front citation in the AGU abstract she does not appear to have read-- and certainly does

Re: [geo] The flawed appeal of unilateral Direct Air Capture programs to prevent climate change | Deich

2014-12-21 Thread 'Robert Tulip' via geoengineering
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