[geo] Re: and now, for something completely different....

2010-01-09 Thread dsw_s
How is this supposed to work? On Jan 4, 4:22 pm, Dan Whaley wrote: > This is the company that Paul Hawken and Amory Lovins are advisors > to... fibonacci spiral fan blades in various applications to reduce > turbulent flow-- haven't heard much from them since a big splash in > 2007 and 2008. > >

[geo] Re: ETC Group on Royal Society Report: The Emp eror’s New Climate: Geoengineering as 21st century fairyta le

2009-08-29 Thread dsw_s
Wake me if ETC says anything worth listening to. On Aug 29, 10:20 pm, global_frozing wrote: > > the climate change treaty negotiations in Copenhagen, they will throw > > precious time and dollars at sci-fi fantasies, overlook potentially > > devastating side effects and divert their attention fr

[geo] Re: Saving the rainforest

2009-08-22 Thread dsw_s
"Here's an example where cap and trade would not work. However a carbon tax, comprising a levy on fossil fuel (carbon out of the ground), could help to pay for this "carbon stock management" type of geoengineering" That makes no sense. If you can give carbon credits for something when the tax r

[geo] Re: Secret E-Mails from the Big White House

2009-08-20 Thread dsw_s
Is Judicial Watch a right-wing loony bin, or do I have it confused with a similar name? On Aug 20, 9:35 am, David Schnare wrote: > For those who didn't get the memo, absolutely nothing you send to a > government employee (except confidentidal business information) is beyond > reach of public scr

[geo] Re: atmospheric and oceanic warming

2009-08-17 Thread dsw_s
>Consider that in the arctic, above 38 degrees north latitude, a reduction of more than 1,134 Megawatts per square mile per day can be achieved by replacing open seawater with a layer of snow-covered ice. Megawatts per day? On Aug 17, 9:45 pm, "Eugene I. Gordon" wrote: > Peter: > > My dogs do n

[geo] Re: Hawaii Saved by Shear Luck Again

2009-08-17 Thread dsw_s
Do stronger storms mix water deeper? (It seems obvious that they would, but lots of things seem obvious and aren't true.) If so, it would seem that having more weak storms would re-churn the same thinner layer of water more often, transporting less heat toward the poles than if fewer big storms

[geo] H. D. S. Greenway in NY Times: "Are We Too Late?"

2009-08-16 Thread dsw_s
It doesn't use the word geoengineering, or even unambiguously imply it. But -- " So when the world meets in Copenhagen to discuss climate change come December, I hope there will be more thought on what has to be done if climate change cannot be prevented. ... What can we plan now that will miti

[geo] Re: Home experiment

2009-08-13 Thread dsw_s
I think something would come along and eat it. Cast your bread upon the waters and it will be fish food unless the birds get it first. I don't think there's any problem with food-chain contamination of birds and fish: this is stuff that people think is ok to eat. However, there may be problems w

[geo] Re: Hawaii Saved by Shear Luck Again

2009-08-09 Thread dsw_s
I wish I understood hurricanes and high-altitude winds well enough to say whether wind shear is useful for hurricane mitigation. My crude understanding suggests that it is, but I'm pretty sure I haven't convinced anyone. On Aug 9, 5:18 pm, "Alvia Gaskill" wrote: > A little more perspective on w

[geo] Re: Arctic currents change

2009-08-09 Thread dsw_s
I think we're going to have to actively manage global ocean circulation as part of integrated management of climate. Is the North Atlantic a better place to send the crud than the Arctic Ocean? On Aug 8, 8:52 am, Andrew Lockley wrote: > My further shameless plagiarism from NewScientist > > A >

[geo] Re: Today's London Times: Latham-Salter Cloud Brightening & Copenhagen study on Climate Response

2009-08-09 Thread dsw_s
> Condensation nuclei are condensation nuclei. Really? I thought they varied in size and in how hygroscopic they are. >It seems, Wikipedia misses Mount Meru entirely, No, the Mout Meru article has been there since May 2007. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mount_Meru_(Tanzania)&dir=pr

[geo] Re: The Storm

2009-08-03 Thread dsw_s
The warehouses are also for superheroes to fight supervillains in. "Abandoned warehouse? You might as well ask for the Moon." http://evil-comic.com/archive/20060419.html On Aug 2, 8:17 pm, "Alvia Gaskill" wrote: > This movie turned out to be a two parter, the second one tonight at 9pm on > NB

[geo] Re: Method of hurricane weakening

2009-08-03 Thread dsw_s
This mostly sounds compatible with my opinions on the subject. However, I have in mind that tropical storms close together tend to merge into one larger cyclone. I don't know whether any aspects of the proposal are new or not. On Aug 3, 2:56 pm, Koldun wrote: > Method of hurricane weakening > >

[geo] Re: [clim] Yet another positive feedback - geoengineering impacts

2009-07-31 Thread dsw_s
> I also think ocean protection treaties ban boats dumping their old motor etc > oil into the seas. The dumping ban came up in connection with OIF experiments, iirc On Jul 31, 4:59 am, Veli Albert Kallio wrote: > Dear Andrew, > > My suggestion is that we pick up one delivery and crash it into

[geo] Re: HALLIBURTON - MODEL FOR GEOENGINEERING

2009-07-30 Thread dsw_s
They wouldn't want to turn out like that country that was the #1 oil producer for much of the 20th century. On Jul 30, 12:53 pm, "Eugene I. Gordon" wrote: > The Israeli's have it right. They say the best gift they have ever received > from GOD  is 'No oil'. > >   _   > > From: geoengineering

[geo] Re: NEW 9 BILLION BARREL OIL FIELD DISCOVERED IN THE USA

2009-07-29 Thread dsw_s
When the second google hit is Snopes ... http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/bakken.asp On Jul 29, 8:07 am, "Eugene I. Gordon" wrote: > Nothing new here. Very difficult to extract. Americans (not the politicians) > have had it with the oil companies to some extent. The real news is that a >

[geo] Re: Cap and trade considered harmful

2009-07-29 Thread dsw_s
The price of carbon emissions should be whatever is necessary to bring them down to an acceptable level, not some token amount that governments make up so as to look as though they're doing something. Taxes can be complicated just as easily as a cap-and-trade system can. Offsets can be just as re

[geo] Re: NSIDC GIVES UP '2-STANDARD DEVIATION RULE' AS - "MEANINGLESS"

2009-07-29 Thread dsw_s
That connection between standard deviation and percentage of events isn't a universal law. It's a feature of the normal distribution, i.e. of distributions that are the sum of a large number of small independent components. I see no reason to expect that to be the case for sea ice extent or area

[geo] Re: [clim] Yet another positive feedback - ja

2009-07-29 Thread dsw_s
Various sulfur compounds are hygroscopic, so the vapor need not be saturated in order to start condensing. On Jul 27, 1:13 pm, Veli Albert Kallio wrote: > Hey, > > Would n't it help to have aeroplanes to drop dimethyl sulphide from higher > altitude if these could be scattered wide enough when

[geo] Re: Hurricane Insurance

2009-07-29 Thread dsw_s
Yet another hurricane-weakening idea is to suspend a tube in the air to allow air to move from the edges of cyclonic circulation to the innermost part at which winds are still weak enough not to destroy the tube. The tube would be suspended in part by having a cross section that acts as a wing, a

[geo] Re: Hurricane Insurance

2009-07-16 Thread dsw_s
> the water in the ocean moves horizontally as well as vertically. I'd thought the way to alter the distribution sea surface temperature would be to have floating structures that increase the coupling between wind and surface currents. Of course, that's based my impression that windmills are the

[geo] Re: Hurricane Insurance

2009-07-15 Thread dsw_s
erely diminished.  I would recommend reading it several times.  It does > become somewhat clearer with each iteration. > > - Original Message - > From: "dsw_s" > To: "geoengineering" > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:39 PM > Subject: [geo] Re: Hurric

[geo] Re: Hurricane Insurance

2009-07-15 Thread dsw_s
In yet still another aspect, not meant to be limiting, an exemplary embodiment of thermally-enhanced ambient gases previously utilized in the provision of patent-related legal services regarding the methods herein referenced, could be released in at one surface region distant from at least one sto

[geo] Re: Just in Time for Hurricane Season

2009-06-17 Thread dsw_s
arted. On Jun 14, 4:01 pm, dsw_s wrote: > > You need to get more creative... > > Ok, shall we talk pie in the sky?  Let's get a decent-sized mostly- > stony asteroid, say a few hundred cubic kilometers, into earth orbit > and drop chunks of it into the atmosphere, controllin

[geo] Re: Just in Time for Hurricane Season

2009-06-14 Thread dsw_s
fety (which I have suggested can only be > secured by limiting cumulative warming, roughly measured as the integral > under the greenhouse gas concentration profile minus the spatial and temporal > integral of albedo modification?) > > Cheers > Peter > >   - Original Messag

[geo] Re: Just in Time for Hurricane Season

2009-06-13 Thread dsw_s
t; transmitting some mechanichal power to an electrical engine which would act > > as > > a power generator). This would transfer the hurricane's angular momentum - > > at > > the point where this momentum is most implicated in the hurricane's > > self-stability

[geo] Re: Just in Time for Hurricane Season

2009-06-11 Thread dsw_s
e an interesting > > angular drag. > > > Conversely, I am not very much convinced by angular momentum exchanges with > > the upper layer of the hurricane's air. > > > Best, > > > Denis Bonnelle > > denis.bonne...@normalesup.org > > > -Message d&

[geo] Re: Just in Time for Hurricane Season

2009-06-10 Thread dsw_s
To have harmful wind speeds, a hurricane needs to have lots of angular momentum. If some of the angular momentum could be dispersed to farther from the center of the storm, wind speeds would be lower. If I understand it right, a hurricane has air coming in from the periphery at low altitude, ris

[geo] Re: Arctic sea ice - no multi-year ice found

2009-06-09 Thread dsw_s
It sounds in the video as though they're classifying ice as one-year (survived one summer), two-year (survived two summers), and multi-year (survived more than two summers). That terminology seems reasonable if explained, but it makes for a somewhat misleading headline. On Jun 9, 3:46 am, Veli A

[geo] Re: Flooding below sea-level: Siphonics Natural Engineering (c)

2009-06-09 Thread dsw_s
What about altering circulation patterns so that rain falls where it will fill those aquifers over the course of several years? On Jun 9, 4:42 am, Andrew Lockley wrote: > Siphoning can't work to overcome elevations of over 33'.  Shattering > non-porous rocks with explosives, and blasting submari

[geo] Re: Flooding below sea-level: Siphonics Natural Engineering (c)

2009-06-08 Thread dsw_s
> The ooze will be rich in nutrients and getting some of it into > suspension should help fish stocks. Some, yes. But is there any guarantee that the right amount for water flow wouldn't be enough to make dead zones? On Jun 8, 5:02 am, Stephen Salter wrote: > Hi All > > The most immediately ex

[geo] Re: Just in Time for Hurricane Season

2009-06-07 Thread dsw_s
t; -Original Message- > From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:geoengineer...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alvia Gaskill > Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:38 PM > To: mmacc...@comcast.net; dsw_s; Geoengineering > Subject: [geo] Re: Just in Time for Hurricane Seas

[geo] Re: Just in Time for Hurricane Season

2009-06-07 Thread dsw_s
MMC: > Air goes up at moist adiabatic rate, but has to be forced down at the > dry adiabatic rate Of course. Thanks. Does it follow that although the net effect of moist convection is to transport heat upward, the actual circulation of air transports heat downward whenever air is being forced t

[geo] Re: Just in Time for Hurricane Season

2009-06-06 Thread dsw_s
> The air that leaves the top of a hurricane is cold already, so it is not > sending much energy back into space. What about radiation from cloud tops? I would expect cloud tops to radiate much more readily than air at that altitude, both because of being a condensed phase that can emit blackbod

[geo] Re: Baked Alaska > Ewing-Donn Snow Cover Research at Lamont Earth Observatory

2009-05-29 Thread dsw_s
Actually, it's not just the amount of snow. It's also the timing. Snow insulates, so to slow down the thawing, you would want to prevent snowfall through the early winter and let the ground cool off as fast as possible. Then you would want to have as much snow as possible in the late winter and

[geo] Re: Baked Alaska

2009-05-28 Thread dsw_s
Has anyone looked seriously into any means of increasing snow cover on the permafrost? That seems to me like the most likely way of slowing the thawing. On May 28, 6:58 am, John Nissen wrote: > Hi Alvia, > > It's interesting that Dr Schuur talks only of CO2, whereas others > consider methane mu

[geo] Re: Managed Relocation debate has a lot in common with Geoengineering

2009-05-27 Thread dsw_s
I suspect that small, inconspicuous organisms will routinely be left out of any such programs. Trees and macroscopic animals may be transferred; nematodes and microscopic fungi won't be, at least not intentionally. On May 26, 10:05 am, Albert Kallio wrote: > Back in August 2006 I was invited to

[geo] Re: Geoengineering and the New Climate Denialism - response deadline today

2009-05-15 Thread dsw_s
The idea of geoengineering being promoted by the fossil fuel industry is mind-bogglingly stupid. But people will believe anything bad about something they don't like. On May 14, 4:52 pm, Ray Taylor wrote: > Albert I didn't write the article. > > I just thought it warranted a reply. > > Ray --~-

[geo] Re: Balancing the pros and cons of geoengineering

2009-05-09 Thread dsw_s
Droplet size may affect chemistry because of surface tension. At sufficiently small scales, a high-curvature surface isn't the same chemically as a lower-curvature surface. My impression is that the Brewer Dobson circulation is the net circulation after east-west wind is canceled out, since the

[geo] Re: Funding air capture and CCS

2009-05-09 Thread dsw_s
apture carbon and store it. > > Each of these propositions would get things like carbon air capture > started in a big way. The promise of such funding will attract > investors and business activities, while there's government > supervision over the funding to ensure that things are

[geo] Re: Funding air capture and CCS

2009-05-09 Thread dsw_s
> it is more economically sensible to tax where substitutes are readily > available. If you're taxing to change behavior, yes. If you're taxing to raise revenue without distorting markets, no. If we tax high-carbon activities to fund mitigation in other areas, we're taxing for revenue; if we t

[geo] Fight acid with acid?

2009-05-09 Thread dsw_s
Yet another brainstorm idea, i.e. no clue whether it's plausible. When acid enters the groundwater, I would expect it to be partly neutralized by the subsoil and rock it percolates through, before emerging into streams and eventually the ocean. In the case of organic acids, the anion is eventual

[geo] Re: Funding air capture and CCS

2009-05-08 Thread dsw_s
If aviation is a major source that should be reduced by flying less, wouldn't that come out in a straightforward cap-and-trade system? On May 8, 10:41 pm, Sam Carana wrote: > I agree, John, that there should be fees on all greenhouse gas > emissions, but I especially focused on aviation, since t

[geo] Re: Press release / Science News on Bishop's new carbon export paper

2009-05-07 Thread dsw_s
It's good to hear that there's some decent data, even if it isn't particularly encouraging for OIF. On May 7, 2:52 pm, DW wrote: > http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/report-iron-fed-plankton-... > Report: Iron-Fed Plankton Slow to Remove CO2 > > Two Berkeley Lab researchers have analyze

[geo] Re: some eco criteria for geoengineering?

2009-05-06 Thread dsw_s
> (Otherwise, you'd be calling CO2 itself a pollutant.) "EPA finds carbon dioxide is a pollutant" http://www.pulpandpapercanada.com/issues/ISArticle.asp?id=98967&issue=04202009 On May 6, 11:57 am, xbenf...@aol.com wrote: > James: > > The trouble with your pollution standard: > > "Putting clouds

[geo] Re: stopping hurricanes

2009-05-06 Thread dsw_s
To cool the surface, warm the air at the level where the storm dumps its heat, and affect wind patterns, we may suspend plastic sheets in the upper troposphere. They could be held up by kites, balloons, or fans blowing air from above the sheet to below it with energy beamed to a rectenna on the s

[geo] Re: stopping hurricanes

2009-05-05 Thread dsw_s
As I've said in other postings here, I think there will be multiple tools to use against hurricanes. Nothing cools the ocean surface like a storm. So we'll start storms, at places and times that aren't right for them to grow into hurricanes, but still have them passing over part of the area hurr

[geo] Polar thermal energy conversion

2009-05-03 Thread dsw_s
Just a brainstormy late-night idea -- The air above the arctic and southern oceans is colder than the water, especially during the long winter night. It is possible in principle (although probably not practical) to extract energy from this temperature difference, by putting a heat exchanger in t

[geo] Re: Utilisation of Nadir Heat Sinks to Remove Heat from Athmospheric System

2009-05-03 Thread dsw_s
I haven't attempted any calculations, but my guess is that to put heat into the ground we would have to spend a non-negligible amount of energy pumping it there. And the amounts of heat involved in changing the temperature of the atmosphere/ocean system are very large relative to the amount of en

[geo] Re: Televised debate

2009-05-01 Thread dsw_s
> There are also another much less studied sink under our feet: the cold soils > and > bedrocks, warming ice on glaciers and ice sheets, melting of marine and > terrestrial > ice. The ever increasing break-up of ever larger and ever more frequent ice > shelves > into sea water also mops up huge

[geo] Re: New WorldChanging Post on Geoengineering

2009-04-28 Thread dsw_s
The idea that deniers are promoting geoengineering is so loopy it's hard to believe that anyone can say it with a straight face, let alone believe it. Are there people out there who honestly believe it, or is it just being pushed cynically? If the latter, who and why? On Apr 27, 7:58 pm, Andrew

[geo] Re: Fast-Track & Cheap (relatively) Solutions to Reversing Global Warming ! ! !

2009-04-28 Thread dsw_s
Why mirrors, rather than whatever's cheap, harmless, and opaque? On Apr 28, 2:57 pm, Mike MacCracken wrote: > Dear Mr. Law: With respect to your suggestion, you need to do some > background reading: > > The 1992 National Academy of Sciences (NAS) report did a calculation of what > would be requi

[geo] Re: Low Mass Spinning Space Mirrors

2009-04-22 Thread dsw_s
Having a mirror sit there doesn't seem more advanced than having life support and equipment to do experiments with. Note also that part of the reason launch costs are so high is that the payloads currently worth launching are either people or very expensive one-of-a-kind high- tech satellites, so

[geo] Re: this is probably just ridiculous

2009-04-22 Thread dsw_s
Speaking as someone who's generally willing to consider beyond-the- horizon technologies (asteroid capture for example) I have to say I see no way we could plausibly trigger an eruption. The sheer amount of rock rules out simple removal, and likewise any in-situ modification of the whole mass of

[geo] Re: USA Today on Geoengineering.

2009-04-22 Thread dsw_s
To what extent do stratospheric aerosols cross the equator? I doubt there's all that much concentrating solar power in the southern hemisphere. And who knows whether CSP will still have such an edge over PV by the time we would get an aerosol program in place anyway. > Most of the CCN for strat

[geo] Re: Global Cooling

2009-04-19 Thread dsw_s
unwillingness to plumb the depths of the science lying beneath > discussions on climate change, I forgive your comment about the necessities > of science. > > Cheers, > David. > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 1:23 AM, dsw_s wrote: > > > I also want to forsake patents for pe

[geo] Re: When real trees won't do

2009-04-19 Thread dsw_s
May be too late to correct it and not that it matters anyway, but I noticed a typo in that paper: on page 2,"weather the reaction is performed below or above melting point" should be "whether". Anyone know how much energy is released by changing a ton of CO2 from pure to diluted in air at ~400 pp

[geo] Re: When real trees won't do

2009-04-18 Thread dsw_s
I thought "artificial trees" referred only to certain types of CO2 air capture device, not to CO2 air capture in general. On Apr 17, 5:56 pm, Greg Rau wrote: > How about "make-believe trees", or is that too harsh? > Bon weekend. - G > > >'fake plastic trees' is used fairly widely in connection w

[geo] Re: Global Cooling

2009-04-18 Thread dsw_s
ess that's all you have to read. > > Sadly, > > d. > > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 3:49 PM, dsw_s wrote: > > > > demonstrates a 6 to 8 times amplification of solar irradiance.  For the > > > non-scientists, you can read a somewhat more understandabl

[geo] Re: Global Cooling

2009-04-17 Thread dsw_s
r new source of energy > >> within the next 50 years.  That's a safe prediction for me since I'll be > >> dead when the prediction deadline rolls around.  Anon, the predicition fits > >> the energy development cycles of the past 100 years.  Thus, with the > >

[geo] Re: When real trees won't do

2009-04-17 Thread dsw_s
Artificial trees are those things that people hang Christmas ornaments on. That article makes it sound as though the whole process doesn't really cost any energy, just what it takes to run some water on the resin. But that can't get any more CO2 into the water than would get there by just letting

[geo] Re: Highly Relevant Case Study for All Space-Based Geoengineering Applications

2009-04-16 Thread dsw_s
use of non- terrestrial materials. But I don't actually know how much of the cost of solar is the panels themselves (cut by a substantial factor if they're in space) and how much is other stuff (not cut by a similar factor). On Apr 16, 7:57 pm, dsw_s wrote: > "Collect power 24 hours

[geo] Re: Global Cooling

2009-04-16 Thread dsw_s
Are we really expecting a next ice age, with CO2 levels higher than they have been for quite a few million years? Even if we are, I don't think scarcity of carbon in the ground is a real concern. There's a lot of low-quality coal and a lot of unconventional petroleum (tar sand and oil shale), th

[geo] Re: Highly Relevant Case Study for All Space-Based Geoengineering Applications

2009-04-16 Thread dsw_s
"Collect power 24 hours a day from a low-orbit solar satellite"? Low orbit is in the dark about half the time, and would need either customers all over the world or storage for energy collected when the customers are over the horizon. I like the idea of space-based solar power, but this sounds f

[geo] Re: well-written blog item

2009-04-14 Thread dsw_s
I don't hear the distinction between "ethics" and "values" the same way. For one thing, "values" is too closely associated with the phrase "family values" with its bizarre connection between discount children's meals and anti-gay bigotry. But even in normal usage, the distinction doesn't cut bet

[geo] Re: soil water, biochar

2009-04-14 Thread dsw_s
; Ken > > ___ > Ken Caldeira > > Carnegie Institution Dept of Global Ecology > 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA > > kcalde...@ciw.edu; > kcalde...@stanford.eduhttp://dge.stanford.edu/DGE/CIWDGE/labs/caldeiralab > +

[geo] Re: soil water, biochar

2009-04-14 Thread dsw_s
job creating a substrate for water.  They take high clay soils and > > turn them into an organic sponge, holding nutrients in the ground, attached > > to the invested carbon. > > > David Schnare. > > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:03 PM, dsw_s wrote: > > > > Wo

[geo] Re: clouds over land - collaborator wanted

2009-04-13 Thread dsw_s
regrowth.  If either were the case, it could have > the cloud-inducing effects discussed.  This effect could be highly > significant and I hope someone expert can consider it. > > A > > 2009/4/12 dsw_s > > > > > But wouldn't the carbon in the biochar get retur

[geo] Re: clouds over land - collaborator wanted

2009-04-11 Thread dsw_s
s, preserve and spread > forests and brighten clouds it would have benefits that could reasonably be > described as 'ginormous'. > I'd be interested to know if anyone in this group could explore these > effects and potentially look at doing a paper or a model run on them. >

[geo] Re: Wouldn't stratospheric aerosols ruin astronomical observations?

2009-04-10 Thread dsw_s
The atmosphere is mostly troposphere, by mass. The troposphere is also the grimiest part of the atmosphere, even relative to mass. The contribution of stratospheric aerosols to interfering with astronomical observation seems likely to be negligible -- as it apparently was in the case of Pinatubo

[geo] Re: comment space finally open on holdren clarification post

2009-04-10 Thread dsw_s
Thanks. Here's what I posted: The geoengineering concepts mentioned in the interview coverage are out of date. If that provides any indication of Holdren's level of interest in the concept, then the people who recoil in horror at the thought of geoengineering can give a big sigh of relief -- bo

[geo] Re: clouds over land - collaborator wanted

2009-04-10 Thread dsw_s
That sounds a lot like how I imagine geoengineering can work. A suggestion I've made is that materials like expanded vermiculite and perlite (basically rock popcorn) could be used to increase water retention in soil for both agricultural and climatic benefit. The climate benefit includes CO2 rem

[geo] Re: John Holdren puts geoengineering on the table

2009-04-09 Thread dsw_s
"he refers to injecting reflective particles into low Earth orbit as one of the most discussed geoengineering ideas. .. He says SRM would be too expensive and would interfere with spacecraft." I thought he said "one of the classic ideas" or something like that, and then said only that that part

[geo] Re: Strong bases

2009-04-05 Thread dsw_s
I doubt it matters, but do you actually need a strong base? Wouldn't a pK in the range of 9.4 to 12 be almost as good as one above 12? As long as the pK is a unit or two above the pH of the water it's in, it will be mostly dissociated. It's probably a distinction without a difference, since as

[geo] Re: the limits of geoengineering?

2009-04-03 Thread dsw_s
I'll sign letter as it stands. I'll almost certainly be willing to sign any revision that others here come to consensus on, too. I agree that keeping it short is probably a good idea. Using the word "geoengineering" has pros and cons. I slightly prefer the three-item version over Tom's two-ite

[geo] Re: Post on geoengineering - NOMENCLATURE

2009-03-31 Thread dsw_s
We need to do something about ocean acidification; the most comprehensive term should include that. On Mar 31, 5:26 pm, Kelly Wanser wrote: > Ken Caldeira and others have begun to adopt the term "Climate > Intervention" as a non-technical term to describe large-scale, direct > interventions in t

[geo] Re: "Another nail in the coffin" of OIF

2009-03-29 Thread dsw_s
ave caused the dissolution of > >> seafloor carbonates, which, by neutralizing the carbon acidity, would > >> lead to long-term carbon storage in the ocean. > > >> It is imaginable that an operation like this that inadvertently pumps > >> carbon to the deep m

[geo] "Another nail in the coffin" of OIF

2009-03-27 Thread dsw_s
>From NewScientist: >"I think we are seeing the last gasps of ocean iron fertilisation as a carbon >storage strategy," says >Ken Caldeira of the Carnegie Institution at Stanford University. >Earlier this month, the controversial Indian-German Lohafex expedition >fertilised 300 square >kilomet

[geo] Re: You are all acting like children

2009-03-27 Thread dsw_s
One of the links says they're using CO2 from burning natural gas at their pilot project, so the difference can't be made up from stuff in coal ash. It sounds to me as though it's acidifying the water and using a lot of energy, but it doesn't really tell as far as I can see. My guess is that they

[geo] Re: Wikipedia - Arctic geoengineering

2009-02-26 Thread dsw_s
Multiple positive feedbacks doesn't necessarily mean multiple tipping points. On Feb 26, 11:51 am, Albert Kallio wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I just let you know that the number 2013 comes from Peter Wadhams. In January > 2008 there were full front page news item bearing the number continuing on > th

[geo] Re: geoengineering vs ocean anoxia

2009-02-22 Thread dsw_s
What timescale are you talking about? To increase the salinity of surface waters in polar or subpolar regions, I would expect that it would work better to do it indirectly via increased evaporation, rather than directly by adding salt. On Feb 22, 6:41 am, Andrew Lockley wrote: > In the paper be

[geo] Re: The Multiverse and Darwin - how the anthropic principle complements evolution

2009-02-12 Thread dsw_s
1a. The inevitably absurd universe Life unimagined by us would be possible (and statistically inevitable) in all (or almost all) possible universes. Furthermore, any universe would look absurdly well-tuned to its inhabitants. On Feb 12, 9:34 pm, dsw_s wrote: > 8. The old, evolving, w

[geo] Re: The Multiverse and Darwin - how the anthropic principle complements evolution

2009-02-12 Thread dsw_s
8. The old, evolving, weak-anthopic universe (serial pseudo- multiverse) What appear to us to be fixed laws and constants actually change, and we're seeing a time that's conducive to our existence because that's where we can be. On Feb 12, 7:02 pm, "John Nissen" wrote: > It is 12th February

[geo] Re: Focus of Geo-engineering?

2009-02-12 Thread dsw_s
How will snow cover on land be affected in coming years? As far as I can see, the qualitative/naive guess is more snowfall and more melting, with no way to tell which will dominate without an actual model. On Feb 11, 6:26 pm, "John Nissen" wrote: > I wonder whether Archer's complacency over the

[geo] Sails on the sea ice

2009-02-08 Thread dsw_s
I have in mind that a lot of the arctic sea ice is flushed out into warmer waters, rather than melting locally. Could we put fields of computer-controlled sails on top of the ice, to keep it in the arctic? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you

[geo] Re: Focus of Geo-engineering? - no fresh water

2009-02-08 Thread dsw_s
My favorite potential interventions are to alter circulation so as to increase vertical transport of latent heat, and to puff silicate rock into stuff like expanded vermiculite to increase weathering to remove CO2 from the atmosphere and increase soil retention of moisture. Both could help with a

[geo] What is forcing?

2009-02-08 Thread dsw_s
We have radiative forcing in climate models, and in diffEQ they use the word forcing to talk about things like pendulums with an additional force acting on them, but the types of systems I've found with forcing aren't complicated enough to be climate models and I think the definition wouldn't quit

[geo] Re: The warming Arctic - a global crisis

2009-02-08 Thread dsw_s
8, 4:25 pm, "John Nissen" wrote: > Hi dsw_s, > > There could be an oscillation, but your mechanism would not explain the four > year delay.  Perhaps the delay in negative feedback, which would produce > such an oscillation, is due to the time for meltwater to flow from

[geo] Tropical clathrate gun?

2009-02-07 Thread dsw_s
"The absence of a δ13C gradient in the water column during these events implies that the methane rose through the entire water column, reaching the sea-air interface and thus the atmosphere. Foraminiferal δ18O composition suggests that the rise of the methane in the water column created an upwelli

[geo] Re: The warming Arctic - a global crisis

2009-02-07 Thread dsw_s
covery right now seems pretty slim," Stroeve said. "You just > > don't get very cold temperatures like you used to." > > > Eventually, the sea ice is expected to melt out entirely in the summer, > > leaving only a cover of winter seasonal ice. The NSIDC predicts

[geo] Re: The warming Arctic - a global crisis

2009-02-06 Thread dsw_s
y in the summer, > leaving only a cover of winter seasonal ice. The NSIDC predicts that this > will happen around 2030, though Stroeve says it could happen earlier, as > indeed some other scientists predict. That it will happen seems fairly > certain: "There's no doubt in my

[geo] Re: runaway arguments ripped to bits

2009-02-06 Thread dsw_s
>There is pretty good evidence based on past climate history that long term >temperature > changes occur monotonically on a scale of thousands of years but not for > shorter times Really? I had thought the opposite, from badly-out-of-date information. I think it was some series of measurement

[geo] Re: runaway arguments ripped to bits

2009-02-06 Thread dsw_s
>The "forcing" from the sea ice albedo effect is of the order of 30 Watts per >square metre, so you expect this to drive regional warming.< I expect surprises. How does the total number of watts of forcing compare with variability in heat fluxes into and out of the region? What other feedbacks

[geo] Re: runaway arguments ripped to bits

2009-02-05 Thread dsw_s
I don't know anything about methanotrophs. I'll post this link here http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmmbr.asm.org%2Fcgi%2Freprint%2F60%2F2%2F439.pdf&ei=YrKLSdCPDcH7tgfl882nBw&usg=AFQjCNGGbGLR6Fkk-fVrQSFAL19J44vYvw&sig2=fP6aqTs9vBrRuTi1KxcIAA partly to remind

[geo] Re: runaway arguments ripped to bits

2009-02-05 Thread dsw_s
>4) What happens to methane sinks under conditions of bulk outgassing? I only did a quick search when reading some of the previous discussion here, so don't take this as solid at all. But what I have in mind is that the main process by which methane is destroyed could in principle be overwhelmed

[geo] Re: Rapley vs. Salter, Financial Times Referees

2009-02-04 Thread dsw_s
One of the participants said that to sequester carbon by reacting it with silicate rock such as peridotite, you need to either transport the CO2 to the rock or transport the rock to the CO2 source, either of which may cost an unacceptable amount of energy. That's not actually true: CO2 circulates

[geo] Re: runaway climate change

2009-02-02 Thread dsw_s
I don't like "irreversible climate change". That would mean (if taken at face value, in vernacular English) that we can't do anything to reverse it, not just that it won't reverse itself spontaneously. On Feb 2, 6:46 am, David Schnare wrote: > The concept, as applied to climate change, was intr

[geo] Groundwater engineering?

2009-02-01 Thread dsw_s
Just another brainstormy (i.e. no idea whether it's any good) idea: in the long run, what takes CO2 out of the atmosphere is weathering of silicate rock to produce carbonate that winds up in sediment. I think that in many areas the soil and subsoil (where groundwater percolates) are fairly comple

[geo] Would carbonate buffering fertilize the oceans?

2009-01-31 Thread dsw_s
Adding calcium/magnesium carbonate to the ocean to offset acidification and increase CO2 uptake would increase the concentrations of carbonate, bicarbonate, and total inorganic carbon (if I've got it straight), while decreasing the concentrations of dissolved carbon dioxide and undissociated carbo

[geo] Re: Black Pickle concept and the "Great Restoration"

2009-01-31 Thread dsw_s
I dimly recall that tall trees lose sap transport capacity to cavitation: the column of water in the tube of xylem cells is under tension, with water being pulled up by evaporation rather than just pushed up by active absorption of water in the roots, so whenever a gas bubble forms in the wood it

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