[geo] Re: Fwd: NERC Geoengineering dialogue report published today

2010-09-20 Thread Ning Zeng
Another aspect of our psychology's 'moral hazard' might play out like this: After rosy claims of such solutions being shown not very practical or with limited effect but insurmountable obstacles, one after another, years pass by. The public as well as people who have worked on them become totally

RE: [geo] Re: Fwd: NERC Geoengineering dialogue report published today

2010-09-19 Thread Martin Bunzl
...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Socolow Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 1:37 PM To: leol...@crai.com; 'Ken Caldeira' Cc: joshuahorton...@gmail.com; 'geoengineering'; 'David Keith' Subject: RE: [geo] Re: Fwd: NERC Geoengineering dialogue report published today

RE: [geo] Re: Fwd: NERC Geoengineering dialogue report published today

2010-09-19 Thread Robert Socolow
se issues better than I have. Rob _ From: geoengineering@googlegroups.com [mailto:geoengineer...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lane, Lee O. Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 2:39 PM To: Ken Caldeira Cc: joshuahorton...@gmail.com; geoengineering; David Keith Subject: RE: [geo] Re: Fwd: NERC Geoen

Re: [geo] Re: Fwd: NERC Geoengineering dialogue report published today

2010-09-19 Thread Joshua Horton
trying to force climate policy into this mold > seems to me to invite misunderstanding of the issues at hand. > > Lee > > -- > *From:* kcalde...@gmail.com on behalf of Ken Caldeira > *Sent:* Sat 9/18/2010 12:23 PM > *To:* Lane, Lee O. > *Cc:* josh

RE: [geo] Re: Fwd: NERC Geoengineering dialogue report published today

2010-09-18 Thread Lane, Lee O.
..@gmail.com; geoengineering; David Keith Subject: Re: [geo] Re: Fwd: NERC Geoengineering dialogue report published today Lee, It would help in this discussion to provide a clear definition of "moral hazard" and then say why or why not that definition is relevant in this context. If you

Re: [geo] Re: Fwd: NERC Geoengineering dialogue report published today

2010-09-18 Thread Ken Caldeira
Lee, It would help in this discussion to provide a clear definition of "moral hazard" and then say why or why not that definition is relevant in this context. If you look on the web, you can get quite a range of definitions: http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+moral+hazard The first definit

RE: [geo] Re: Fwd: NERC Geoengineering dialogue report published today

2010-09-18 Thread Lane, Lee O.
Dear Josh, I would suggest that in the future we would all be better off without the term "moral hazard". Moral hazard, as I suspect you know, is a kind of market failure. The concept is perfectly useful for describing a class of problems that arise in insurance markets and other kinds of ri

Re: [geo] Re: Fwd: NERC Geoengineering dialogue report published today

2010-09-18 Thread oli...@nmt.edu
Dear Josh, Because GE can at best only delay global warming, I suggested at Asilomar that a condition for the implementation of GE be that satisfactory mitigation steps must have already been achieved. Sincerely, Oliver Wingenter On 9/17/2010 3:56 PM, Josh Horton wrote: One of the more in

[geo] Re: Fwd: NERC Geoengineering dialogue report published today

2010-09-17 Thread Josh Horton
One of the more interesting findings pertains to the "moral hazard" argument against geoengineering, that is, people will embrace geoengineering as an excuse to avoid emissions reductions, and current levels of fossil fuel consumption will persist if not increase. Moral hazard has emerged as one of