RE: [gep-ed] Johann Hari in The Nation

2010-03-21 Thread Paul Wapner
I can't verify Hari's claims (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100322/hari ) but what he reports fits the general impression many of us have been getting for few years now. When corporate creep started, many warned of its corrupting influence, but few thought it could penetrate environmentalism

RE: [gep-ed] Johann Hari in The Nation

2010-03-21 Thread Jim Salzman
Hi Paul, In the spirit of constructive engagement, I think you accept Hari's accusations way too quickly. To my mind, this is an article long on charges and short on fact. The potential CBD lawsuit Hari refers to (that the Sierra Club decided not to join) is far more complicated than descri

RE: [gep-ed] Johann Hari in The Nation

2010-03-21 Thread David L. Levy
To me, it's a complex question of strategy - (in the Gramsci/Machiavelli tradition of politics) - working with corporations brings resources, some legitimacy, access to and perhaps influence over corporate decision makers with huge power in their private decision making over our society's techno

RE: [gep-ed] Johann Hari in The Nation

2010-03-21 Thread Rodrigo Pinto
Much research has been published on David's point about how environmental(ist) activists minimize cooptation through a coordinated division of labor among insiders and outsiders, or reformists and radicals. I review some of that research in a chapter on environmental activism of the newly-released

RE: [gep-ed] Johann Hari in The Nation

2010-03-21 Thread Wil Burns
I concur with Jim that the evidence in the piece is largely anecdotal, but I have to say that my more than twenty years of experience in the nonprofit world prior to becoming an academic tracks a lot of this analysis. For example, I know of one mainstream NGO who stopped emphasizing the adverse imp

RE: [gep-ed] Clarification on the Thread: Johann Hari in The Nation

2010-03-21 Thread Geoffrey Wandesforde-Smith
Again, my thanks to those who have responded, even taking time over the weekend to do so. BUT, just in case the thread shows new life and interest and contributions once the work week starts, and I very much hope that will be the case, let me clarify my intent in the posting I contributed to the t