Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop “compatibility” mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
> Furthermore, collaborating with Inkscape *instead* makes a lot of > sense, because GIMP + Inkscape are a usual combo. Blindly reusing > shortcuts from old Adobe products doesn't make a lot of sense. Blindly—yes. But proposition is not to do it that way. My reason is: I want to promote GIMP to e.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Eric Grivel
ROFL On 02/01/2011 03:54 PM, Ofnuts wrote: > On 02/01/2011 06:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote: >> >>> I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable >>> features. >>> Now only a help page is needed. I think I'l

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop “compatibility” mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
> On Jan 30, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote: > > > On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 01:43 +0100, Bogdan Szczurek wrote: > > > >> The thing is, that we concluded that permamenet transition or even > >> occasional use of Gimp would be much more appealing for Ps-bred > >> guys (like me ;)) if one would

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Alexia Death
On Wednesday, February 02, 2011 01:28:04 Bogdan Szczurek wrote: > > This pointless discussion got a lot more of attention. > > Pointless it is if it doesn't bring any changes but that can be said > only after it's over. Right now I can see that there's at least a will > to at least make things cle

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
> And all this conversation is because you think CTRL+Backspace makes > more sense than CTRL+. (because you're used to that combination) and > you don't want to take 30 seconds of your time to personalize the > accelerators? > Seriously? If think so then I'm afraid that you didn't read my posts ca

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Michael Grosberg > wrote: > > Add a single "For Photoshop users" page to the help file. There, > > tell users how to change the menurc file so they have > > photoshop-like keys. This won't change the application in any way, > > and will enable those who insist on

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
> On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 17:16 +, Michael Grosberg wrote: > > Alexandre Prokoudine gmail.com> writes: > > > > > *sigh* > > > > > > http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/etc/ps-menurc > > > > > > Alexandre Prokoudine > > > http://libregraphicsworld.org > > > > > > > I will refrain from expr

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
> As it was stated before, making applications act "similar" doesn't > turn out in "familiarity", but in a percepction of incompleteness. The > most our applications looks like others, the most former users of > other applications will spot what's missing, perceiving differences as > limitations. >

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Sven Neumann
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 17:16 +, Michael Grosberg wrote: > Alexandre Prokoudine gmail.com> writes: > > > *sigh* > > > > http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/etc/ps-menurc > > > > Alexandre Prokoudine > > http://libregraphicsworld.org > > > > I will refrain from expressing my opinion on und

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
> On 02/01/2011 06:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote: > > > >> I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, > >> undiscoverable features. > >> Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll go and join the > >> Gimp-Docs mailin

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Ofnuts
On 02/01/2011 06:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote: > >> I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable >> features. >> Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll go and join the Gimp-Docs >> mailing list and ta

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote: > I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable > features. > Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll go and join the Gimp-Docs > mailing list and take it from there. This is an area in which I have a lot > of

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Jon Senior
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 19:01:12 +0300 Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > > > >> Because people talk about the big picture. Pretty please carefully > >> reread what Jon Cruz wrote in th

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Michael Grosberg
Alexandre Prokoudine gmail.com> writes: > *sigh* > > http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/etc/ps-menurc > > Alexandre Prokoudine > http://libregraphicsworld.org > I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable features. Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > >> Because people talk about the big picture. Pretty please carefully >> reread what Jon Cruz wrote in the thread. It's a spot-on message. > > You mean Jon Senior? Nope. I did me

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > Because people talk about the big picture. Pretty please carefully > reread what Jon Cruz wrote in the thread. It's a spot-on message. You mean Jon Senior? js -><- > > Alexandre Prokoudine > http://libregraphicsworld.org > __

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Christopher Curtis wrote: >> What you call "knee-jerk reaction" is the result of generations of >> users coming and telling the team to just make GIMP like Photoshop or > > I recognize the root of the issue, but that makes it no less an issue. >  What may seem to yo

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread gespert...@gmail.com
As it was stated before, making applications act "similar" doesn't turn out in "familiarity", but in a percepction of incompleteness. The most our applications looks like others, the most former users of other applications will spot what's missing, perceiving differences as limitations. When I swit

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote: > How about this as a suggestion: > Find an existing menuRc files with photoshop key bindings. Ask the author if > it > can be included in a Gimp release. Include it as a renamed file so its not > loaded by default. find a maintainer for it

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Alexia Death
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote: > Add a single "For Photoshop users" page to the help file. There, tell users > how > to change the menurc file so they have photoshop-like keys. This won't change > the application in any way, and will enable those who insist on it to have

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Michael Grosberg
Alexandre Prokoudine gmail.com> writes: > > On 2/1/11, Christopher Curtis wrote: > > > I would agree that there are problems with the way people tend to > > interact on this list. One of which is the knee-jerk reaction > > whenever an email comes across with the word Photoshop in it. > > What

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Jon Senior
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:30:05 -0500 Christopher Curtis wrote: > I asked if anyone would complain about a patch that brings GIMP in > line with every other program that I could find wrt using Backspace as > color fill. One person objected, nobody said it would be a fine patch > -- they'd rather comp

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Christopher Curtis
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On 2/1/11, Christopher Curtis wrote: > >> interact on this list.  One of which is the knee-jerk reaction >> whenever an email comes across with the word Photoshop in it. > > What you call "knee-jerk reaction" is the result of generation

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 2:39 AM, gespert...@gmail.com wrote: > A couple of days ago a voluntary coder (with an impressive CV) arrived > to this list offering his help and he only got a couple of replies. > This pointless discussion got a lot more of attention. This discussion is almost entirely th

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 2/1/11, Christopher Curtis wrote: > I would agree that there are problems with the way people tend to > interact on this list. One of which is the knee-jerk reaction > whenever an email comes across with the word Photoshop in it. What you call "knee-jerk reaction" is the result of generations