Re: Fwd: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-17 Thread James Starlight
By the way I also wounder to know how I could keep my system after equilibration. E.g I've equilibrated CCl4+water system and obtain stabile system on desired timescale. Than I've used genbox to merge my pre-oriented peptide with the pre-equilibrated system. genbox -cp peptide_newbox.gro -cs CC

Re: Fwd: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-16 Thread Mark Abraham
On 17/02/2012 5:33 PM, James Starlight wrote: Mark, The pure Ccl4 cube was expanded in X dimension during npt phase. So assuming you simulated long enough to have reasonable convergence, your model is not stable at the initial volume with whatever that reference pressure was. By the way

Re: Fwd: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-16 Thread James Starlight
Mark, The pure Ccl4 cube was expanded in X dimension during npt phase. By the way I've been able to prevent it by increasing the ref_p of X up to 5 ussing semiisotropic pcoupltype By when I've inserted peptide on the npt of that system my Ccl4 box was expanded on Z rapidly. Might this way to

Re: Fwd: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-16 Thread Mark Abraham
On 17/02/2012 4:46 PM, James Starlight wrote: So my problem still is 1) During npt without peptide my Ccl4 system expan rapidly in X-dimension. That produce error on 2nd ns of equilibration One of the box vectors has become shorter than twice the cut-off length or box_yy-|box_zy| or box_zz h

Re: Fwd: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-16 Thread James Starlight
he moment, forget about all the stuff where you were >> struggling to insert more CCl4 into a box with CCl4 (probably creating a >> far-from-equilibrium starting configuration). Don't try to learn to run on >> stilts while shaving. Learn to shave, then to walk on stilts, then to run, >&g

Re: Fwd: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-16 Thread James Starlight
shaving. Learn to shave, then to walk on stilts, then to run, > then start combining them. > > Mark > > > > James > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Mark Abraham > Date: 2012/2/15 > Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-

Re: Fwd: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-15 Thread Mark Abraham
starting configuration). Don't try to learn to run on stilts while shaving. Learn to shave, then to walk on stilts, then to run, then start combining them. Mark James -- Forwarded message -- From: *Mark Abraham* <mailto:mark.abra...@anu.edu.au>> Date: 2012/2/15

Fwd: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-15 Thread James Starlight
wich I've found in the KALP tutorial because I have not found the same npt example file in the Biphastic tutorial :) Could you advise me another p_coup algorithm for my Ccl4 system? James -- Forwarded message -- From: Mark Abraham Date: 2012/2/15 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Npt

Re: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-14 Thread Mark Abraham
On 15/02/2012 4:45 PM, James Starlight wrote: Mark, due to hight density the volume of my system have been slightly increased and during NPT phase I've obtained error Fatal error: One of the box vectors has become shorter than twice the cut-off length or box_yy-|box_zy| or box_zz has become

Re: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-14 Thread James Starlight
Mark, due to hight density the volume of my system have been slightly increased and during NPT phase I've obtained error Fatal error: One of the box vectors has become shorter than twice the cut-off length or box_yy-|box_zy| or box_zz has become smaller than the cut-off. I'm using 0.9 for elect

Re: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-14 Thread Mark Abraham
On 14/02/2012 11:01 PM, James Starlight wrote: This also was solved by the some extra minimisation steps. I've forced with another problem :D During npt equilibration my system have slightly expanded so my desired volume and density were perturbed. I've noticed the below options in npt wich

[gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-14 Thread Thomas Schlesier
I assume that you energy minimisd the system, but still have atomic clashes? One thing which helped me in a similar case, was a short simulation at low temperature with a really small timestep (about 3-5 magnitudes smaller than the normal timestep). With this the atoms which clashes move away

Re: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-14 Thread James Starlight
This also was solved by the some extra minimisation steps. I've forced with another problem :D During npt equilibration my system have slightly expanded so my desired volume and density were perturbed. I've noticed the below options in npt wich could help me ref_p= 1 1 compressibility

Re: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-13 Thread James Starlight
It seems that I've fixed that problem by reduce vdv radii for Cl during defining of my box Eventually I've obtained box with the desired density than I've delete vdvradii.dat for my wor dir by when I've launched equilibration I've oibtained Fatal error: Too many LINCS warnings (1598) If you kno

Re: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-13 Thread James Starlight
Mark, I've checked only density value with 500 molecules Ccl4 I have density that is twisely less that I need ( in accordance to the literature ). Also I've checked my box visually and found that the box is not properly tightly packed so I dont know why genbox didnt add some extra mollecules :(

Re: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-13 Thread Mark Abraham
On 14/02/2012 4:57 PM, James Starlight wrote: Justin, Firstly I've created the box of desired size with only 500 molecules ( I need 1000) Than I've tried to add extra 200 molecules by means of Genbox genbox -cp super_box.gro -ci Ccl4.gro -nmol 200 -o new_solv.gro but no molecules have been

Re: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-13 Thread James Starlight
Justin, Firstly I've created the box of desired size with only 500 molecules ( I need 1000) Than I've tried to add extra 200 molecules by means of Genbox genbox -cp super_box.gro -ci Ccl4.gro -nmol 200 -o new_solv.gro but no molecules have been added Added 0 molecules (out of 200 requested) of

[gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking, CCl4 layer

2012-02-10 Thread Thomas Schlesier
Hi, i second Justins seond idea (creating a small box of equilibrated CCl4 and then fill the simulation box via the -cs option). Depending if you have other molecules in your system, make the simulation box a little bit bigger, because you will get some holes. In the subsequent NPT simulation t

Re: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-10 Thread Justin A. Lemkul
James Starlight wrote: Justin, 2012/2/6 Justin A. Lemkul mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>> Some simple calculations using the desired density and the box dimensions (to get the volume) will tell you exactly how many molecules you need. If you only "suppose" you've got a reasonable n

Re: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-10 Thread James Starlight
Justin, 2012/2/6 Justin A. Lemkul > > Some simple calculations using the desired density and the box dimensions > (to get the volume) will tell you exactly how many molecules you need. If > you only "suppose" you've got a reasonable number, there are better ways to > be sure ;) > > In accordan

Re: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-06 Thread Justin A. Lemkul
James Starlight wrote: Justin, I've built my system in accordance to the first way from your Biphgastic system tutorial. I've defined system with slight biger ( on 1 nm in each dimension) dimensions that I needed and place maximym CCl4 molecules in that box by genbox -ci ccl4.gro -nmol

Re: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-05 Thread James Starlight
Justin, I've built my system in accordance to the first way from your Biphgastic system tutorial. I've defined system with slight biger ( on 1 nm in each dimension) dimensions that I needed and place maximym CCl4 molecules in that box by genbox -ci ccl4.gro -nmol 900 -box 9.6 7.5 4 -o new_box.

Re: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-05 Thread Justin A. Lemkul
James Starlight wrote: Justin, Larger cutoffs would not only make the problem worse (read the error message carefully and consider the minimum image convention), but it would also potentially break the validity of the force field model. The vdW cutoff for Gromos96 should be 1

Re: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-05 Thread James Starlight
Justin, Larger cutoffs would not only make the problem worse (read the error > message carefully and consider the minimum image convention), but it would > also potentially break the validity of the force field model. The vdW > cutoff for Gromos96 should be 1.4 nm, not 0.9 nm, in any case. Thi

Re: [gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-04 Thread Justin A. Lemkul
James Starlight wrote: Dear Gromacs Users! I have problems during npt equilibration of my solvent box with the CCl4 solvent (I'm preparing this hydrophobic layer for further membrane-mimicking system). As the result I want to obtain density value ~ 1.5 for such box but between 2 and 3 n

[gmx-users] Npt equilibration of the membrane-mimicking CCl4 layer

2012-02-04 Thread James Starlight
Dear Gromacs Users! I have problems during npt equilibration of my solvent box with the CCl4 solvent (I'm preparing this hydrophobic layer for further membrane-mimicking system). As the result I want to obtain density value ~ 1.5 for such box but between 2 and 3 ns ( where the desity was 1.3) o