Yet more OT humor...

2007-01-19 Thread mike shlitz
Here's yet another bit of off the mark Linux-oriented humor: http://mirror1.spikedhumor.com/1209/SwitchLinux.swf Mike TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/

Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-19 Thread Thomas Charron
On 1/19/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 21:43 -0500, Thomas Charron wrote: > On 1/19/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, No, NoI much prefer arguing issues around arcane > languages. > What about using SNOBOL?

(OT) Humor...

2007-01-19 Thread mike shlitz
I just picked up this link courtesy of the TriLUG down in NC... http://stupidvideos.com/video/science_technology/Linux_iPhone_Video/ Mike Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Ya

Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-19 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 21:43 -0500, Thomas Charron wrote: > On 1/19/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let's first figure out which we want and then evaluate > platforms on > > features, maturity, maintainability and reliability. > > > No, No

Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-19 Thread Thomas Charron
On 1/19/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let's first figure out which we want and then evaluate platforms on > features, maturity, maintainability and reliability. > No, No, NoI much prefer arguing issues around arcane languages. What about using SNOBOL? :-) But, Jon...

Re: [OT] Re: Real Men

2007-01-19 Thread Seth Cohn
> > Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > > >>> No, No, NoI much prefer arguing issues around arcane > > >>> languages. > > >>> > > >>> What about using SNOBOL? :-) > > >> > > >> Ha! Real men write right down on the metal in Assembler... > > > > > > You use an assembler?? > > > > > > Real men program di

Re: Re: [OT] Re: Real Men

2007-01-19 Thread mike miller
PDP-8 Are you talking about real men or real old men? My first computer was a CDC3500. Mike Miller - Original Message - From: "Joshua D. Abraham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Greater NH Linux User Group" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Re: [OT]

Re: Gimp and/or Blender tutorials for kids

2007-01-19 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 19:14 -0500, Larry Cook wrote: > My 13 year old daughter would like to add things like dragons to her > digital photos. She would also like to do some animation. She has no > knowledge of what's involved, and neither do I which is why I'm asking. > Is anyone aware of tu

Re: [OT] Re: Real Men

2007-01-19 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 18:40 -0500, Dan Jenkins wrote: > Bruce Dawson wrote: > > > Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > > >>> No, No, NoI much prefer arguing issues around arcane > > >>> languages. > > >>> > > >>> What about using SNOBOL? :-) > > >> > > >> Ha! Real men write right down on the metal in A

Gimp and/or Blender tutorials for kids

2007-01-19 Thread Larry Cook
My 13 year old daughter would like to add things like dragons to her digital photos. She would also like to do some animation. She has no knowledge of what's involved, and neither do I which is why I'm asking. Is anyone aware of tutorials for Gimp or Blender suitable for her age? Are there

Re: Re: [OT] Re: Real Men

2007-01-19 Thread Joshua D. Abraham
On 19.Jan.2007 05:44PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > er, > > what preceded the PDP-11 ? PDP-10 ? --josh > > >From: Bruce Dawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Date: 2007/01/19 Fri PM 05:03:37 CST > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Cc: Greater NH Linux User Group > >Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Real Men > > >

Re: [OT] Re: Real Men

2007-01-19 Thread brk
On Jan 19, 2007, at 6:40 PM, Dan Jenkins wrote: And I bet they use switches! Now, wire-wrap and diodes... Wirewrap? Paugh, just solder directly to the tubes... (Not the Internet tubes, the vacuum ones. :-D ) Or cut the teeth in those gears and cams for Mr. Babbage's engine. Unless we go

Re: Re: [OT] Re: Real Men

2007-01-19 Thread paul_cour
er, what preceded the PDP-11 ? -pc >From: Bruce Dawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 2007/01/19 Fri PM 05:03:37 CST >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: Greater NH Linux User Group >Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Real Men >Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > No, No, NoI much prefer arguing issues around arcane lan

Re: [OT] Re: Real Men

2007-01-19 Thread Dan Jenkins
Bruce Dawson wrote: Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: >>> No, No, NoI much prefer arguing issues around arcane >>> languages. >>> >>> What about using SNOBOL? :-) >> >> Ha! Real men write right down on the metal in Assembler... > > You use an assembler?? > > Real men program directly in '1's and '0'

Re: [OT] Re: Real Men

2007-01-19 Thread Bruce Dawson
Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: >>>No, No, NoI much prefer arguing issues around arcane languages. >>> >>>What about using SNOBOL? :-) >>> >>> >>Ha! Real men write right down on the metal in Assembler... >> >> > >You use an assembler?? > >Real men program directly in '1's and '0's, and the

Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-19 Thread Python
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 16:22 -0500, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > > Let's first figure out which we want and then evaluate platforms on > > features, maturity, maintainability and reliability. > > > > No, No, NoI much prefer arguing issues around arcane languages. > > What about using SNOBOL?

[OT] Re: Real Men

2007-01-19 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
> > > No, No, NoI much prefer arguing issues around arcane languages. > > > > What about using SNOBOL? :-) > > Ha! Real men write right down on the metal in Assembler... You use an assembler?? Real men program directly in '1's and '0's, and the ones that have been doing it a long time only

Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-19 Thread Ted Roche
On Jan 19, 2007, at 4:22 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: No, No, NoI much prefer arguing issues around arcane languages. What about using SNOBOL? :-) Ha! Real men write right down on the metal in Assembler... Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com __

Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-19 Thread Ted Roche
On Jan 19, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Dan Jenkins wrote: Personally, I figure we can just do it in bash, grep, awk and sed. :-D Well, we CAN, but would we want to? Again, volunteers welcomed ;) Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___

Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-19 Thread Dan Jenkins
Ted Roche wrote: All right, you two. No religious arguments here. If Bill is willing to install, configure and maintain the application, we'll consider Java. If you're willing to do it, we'll go PHP. If the Ruby SIG folks have some ideas, go for it. If Mr. Sconce wants to do it, Python; Mr.

Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-19 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
> Let's first figure out which we want and then evaluate platforms on > features, maturity, maintainability and reliability. > No, No, NoI much prefer arguing issues around arcane languages. What about using SNOBOL? :-) md ___ gnhlug-discuss m

Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-19 Thread Ted Roche
On Jan 19, 2007, at 2:06 PM, Seth Cohn wrote: I have to strongly disagree. IMHO, a php/sql app is usually very easy to make minor tweaks to, and runs smoothly with clear errors (for example). I've _never_ seen a web java setup do the same or been easy to customize. All right, you two. No rel

Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-19 Thread Bruce Dawson
Seth Cohn wrote: > On 1/19/07, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> > Unlike bedework (java... ugh) , webcalendar is php/sql, making it >> > easier to make custom changes >> >> Heh, I'd invert that argument in the other direction. :) > > > I have to strongly disagree. IMHO, a php/sq

Re: Vonage vs. Verizon [was: Anyone had experience with Comcast SMC modem/router? ]

2007-01-19 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Jan 19, 2007, at 13:14, Ben Scott wrote: The only other public sector stuff I know of with this level of fault tolerance is medical life support equipment. We'd like to think so. The prevailing attitude among manufacturers in the 90's was "the FCC gives us an exemption for interference

Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-19 Thread Seth Cohn
On 1/19/07, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unlike bedework (java... ugh) , webcalendar is php/sql, making it > easier to make custom changes Heh, I'd invert that argument in the other direction. :) I have to strongly disagree. IMHO, a php/sql app is usually very easy to make mi

Re: CD/DVD writer woes

2007-01-19 Thread Ben Scott
On 1/19/07, Jeffry Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh, and I'm certain Jorg hasn't helped with his "I know the best way to talk to the HW - even if no one else does - Linux, BSD, etc should change to my way of doing things" attitude. Indeed. What's worse is that he had *some* good points (no

Re: CD/DVD writer woes

2007-01-19 Thread Ben Scott
On 1/17/07, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The version that did work is evidently long since gone from my system ... Ah, okay. :) $ sudo cdrecord dev=1,4,0 -dummy speed=52 edubuntu-6.10-install-i386.iso What does 1,4,0 equate to. That's the scsi drive. dev=scsibus,target,lun

Re: Vonage vs. Verizon [was: Anyone had experience with Comcast SMC modem/router? ]

2007-01-19 Thread Ben Scott
On 1/18/07, Tom Buskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can your network survive the collapse of a building on top of it? s/a building/one of the biggest buildings in the world/ What other system is engineered for failure as well as the POTS stuff? Railroad signaling? Lunar Lander life support?

WRT54G from PoE switch?

2007-01-19 Thread Bill McGonigle
It seems everybody here has at least 1 WRT54G. :) Is anybody running them using PoE provided by a real PoE switch? I've done it before with the Linksys PoE gear on both ends, and I'm curious if it would work with just the one end of the Linksys setup, to step down 48V PoE to 12V for the WR

Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-19 Thread Dan Jenkins
Seth Cohn wrote: > There are also dedicated calendaring applications. Indeed, here's another that seems useful and popular: http://www.k5n.us/webcalendar.php We use this in-house. It took about 15 minutes to setup and has needed no effort since then. I haven't looked at customizing the inte

Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-19 Thread Michael ODonnell
Whichever calendar we end up using I hope (assuming we'll be accessing it via HTTP) that the following are true: - No Flash. (it's ridiculous to have to say this but these days it seems to be necessary) - As little Java as possible, ideally none. - As few frames as possible, ideally non

Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-19 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Jan 19, 2007, at 10:17, Seth Cohn wrote: Unlike bedework (java... ugh) , webcalendar is php/sql, making it easier to make custom changes Heh, I'd invert that argument in the other direction. :) Anyway, we should be able to decide on features, momentum, project management, security, etc.

Re: PVR-150 (1042, 1045, 1062)?

2007-01-19 Thread Ted Roche
On Jan 19, 2007, at 9:12 AM, Adam (gnhlug) wrote: Last nights MythTV discussion was a huge eye opener for me. I recently began exploring the the MythTV phenomena a few days ago, but after last night I know for SURE that I want to work towards having one. I'm shopping for a tuner card, and

Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-19 Thread Seth Cohn
> There are also dedicated calendaring applications. Indeed, here's another that seems useful and popular: http://www.k5n.us/webcalendar.php Unlike bedework (java... ugh) , webcalendar is php/sql, making it easier to make custom changes Overview of Features (cut and paste from the website)

Re: Does GNHLUG need Internet-enabled calendars?

2007-01-19 Thread Ted Roche
On Jan 19, 2007, at 12:31 AM, Bill McGonigle wrote: There are also dedicated calendaring applications. One that seems to have the attention of people who really care about calendars is bedework: http://www.bedework.org/bedework/update.do?artcenterkey=10 It might be overkill but tracking

Re: Linux on Compaq Presario Laptop...

2007-01-19 Thread Michael ODonnell
> Broadcom 802.11 b/g WLAN My HP zd7000 has a wireless chip that until recently had no Linux supported, no thanks to the super-geniuses at BroadCom. However, I just upgraded the Debian distro on that machine and was pleasantly surprised to see that there is now a native driver, so I guess the re

PVR-150 (1042, 1045, 1062)?

2007-01-19 Thread Adam (gnhlug)
Last nights MythTV discussion was a huge eye opener for me. I recently began exploring the the MythTV phenomena a few days ago, but after last night I know for SURE that I want to work towards having one. I'm shopping for a tuner card, and I thought I would start off with a more basic one. Last n

Re: Linux on Compaq Presario Laptop...

2007-01-19 Thread Michael ODonnell
Here are some drivers that have at least a shot at recognizing that card: 8139cp 8139too r8169 ...so it might be interesting to see the results of this: modprobe thatDriver ...for each one. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail

Re: Vonage vs. Verizon [was: Anyone had experience with Comcast SMC modem/router? ]

2007-01-19 Thread Dan Jenkins
Paul Lussier wrote: Dan Jenkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The Comcast service has been exemplary though, as long as we > haven't needed to call them. We finally replaced all our Verizon > lines with Vonage, as Vonage had far better sound quality and > reliability than Verizon's voice wires

Re: CD/DVD writer woes

2007-01-19 Thread Jeffry Smith
On 1/19/07, Jason Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The version in Debian, as it clearly states, is not the actual cdrecord from Jorg's cdrtools. There was a license dispute/clash of egos and many distros (or was it just Debian?) yanked Jorg's cdrtools package. I believe it has something to d