Re: [OT] Understatement

2007-11-12 Thread Paul Lussier
Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Nov 11, 2007, at 11:45, Dan Jenkins wrote: > >> That should be enough for "decades to come." :-) > > And it'll still be hell to get somebody to announce BGP for your ASN > because routing table size is still a problem. Heh, imagine the DHCP config

Re: A plague of daemons and the Unix Philosophy

2007-11-12 Thread Steven W. Orr
On Monday, Nov 12th 2007 at 15:21 -, quoth Bill McGonigle: => =>On Nov 12, 2007, at 11:57, Coleman Kane wrote: => =>> > deb files suck big green donkey =>> > dicks. =>> > =>> Sounds like you're in a good position to put together that document ;). => =>And he already has the killer title. I b

Open source shopping cart webapp for subscription payments?

2007-11-12 Thread Scott Garman
I'm wondering if anyone on this list has experience with open source ecommmerce shopping cart applications, such as Zen Cart? I'm looking for something to manage recurring subscription service billing (monthly), and which has support for Authorize.net (mandatory) and PayPal (strongly desired). Th

Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

2007-11-12 Thread Ben Scott
On Nov 12, 2007 7:41 PM, Jim Eden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > go to http://puc.nh.gov/Telecom/VerizonSaleToFairpoint.htm and read the > testimonies from David Brevitz and Susan M. Baldwin from the Office of > the Consumer Advocate. Good link. Unfortunately, most of the potentially useful infor

Re: [OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

2007-11-12 Thread Jim Eden
My two cents. I am an IBEW employed tech in NH. From a consumer point of view this deal is just plain bad. Don't take my word for it go to http://puc.nh.gov/Telecom/VerizonSaleToFairpoint.htm and read the testimonies from David Brevitz and Susan M. Baldwin from the Office of the Consumer Advoca

Re: rpm db rebuild question

2007-11-12 Thread Ben Scott
On Nov 12, 2007 1:58 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > rpm --reubuilddb > > Which does run... the end result is 121 packages in the db. > One of the files --rebuilddb pulls from appears to have gotten pooched. Ouch. That's not good. There's often little you can do in that case. If things are

[OT] Verizon/FairPoint sale (was: Comcast!?!?)

2007-11-12 Thread Ben Scott
On Nov 12, 2007 3:43 PM, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately, the unions are trying to ensure that the status quo is > maintained ... Yah. I suspect they're mostly concerned about their jobs, and I don't blame them. Verizon is a nice company to work *for*, by most accoun

Re: rpm db rebuild question

2007-11-12 Thread t . littlefield
Sorry for the poorly formatted message earlier... (Stupid Comcast Webmail, partially my fault for not using a fixed font...) Thanks for the suggestions. I have an older machine that I can turn into a similar system and copy the files over. I hadn't thought of that one. Backups? Who needs back

Re: [OT] Understatement

2007-11-12 Thread Ben Scott
On Nov 12, 2007 3:33 PM, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Once upon a time IPv6 was going to have some sort of > hierarchical routing, wasn't it? As I recall, there is a mechanism for "aggregators" in the IPv6 address. Kind of like classfull routing in IPv4. It's too early to tell i

Re: Odd www log entries: Accelerated browsing the culprit?

2007-11-12 Thread Ben Scott
On Nov 12, 2007 3:28 PM, Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... I'm not sure why you'd want to stop people from > saving you bandwidth. If they actually saved bandwidth, that would be something. But from what I've read, a lot of these so-called "accelerators" are just bad implementatio

Re: Power supply monitoring in Linux?

2007-11-12 Thread Dan Jenkins
Ben Scott wrote: > On Nov 9, 2007 10:08 AM, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> We need to monitor it in the OS to detect the failure on one of the redundant >> power supplies (it would be tough to detect the failure the second :) >> > Nonsense, that's *easy* to detect. Kind of

Re: rpm db rebuild question

2007-11-12 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Monday 12 November 2007 01:58:43 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] > This caused all sorts of havoc, from corrupted mythconverg tables to the > previously mentioned RPM problems. I was able to recover the db problems > after some digging. The only thing I have found for RPM is to run > > rpm -

Re: A plague of daemons and the Unix Philosophy

2007-11-12 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Monday 12 November 2007 01:33:42 pm Steven W. Orr wrote: > On Monday, Nov 12th 2007 at 12:31 -, quoth Jarod Wilson: > > =>On Monday 12 November 2007 11:57:22 am Coleman Kane wrote: > =>> Steven W. Orr wrote: > =>> > On Monday, Nov 12th 2007 at 11:14 -, quoth Neil Joseph Schelly: > =>> >

Re: Power supply monitoring in Linux?

2007-11-12 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Friday 09 November 2007 10:08, Paul Lussier wrote: > Bill McGonigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> If you strike out with the onboard stuff and really need it, one of >> the booths at LinuxWorld a year or two ago had smart power strips >> with SNMP. I assume there was some kind of trapping on e

Re: Fedora Eight is out on the streets!

2007-11-12 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Nov 9, 2007, at 15:47, mike shlitz wrote: > My Vonage conversations , if they go on for any length of time, are > inevitably cutoff and I have to reset the modem to get my internet > service back. Downloads and torrents seem sporadic as well, as was > indicated in several other emails on

Re: Comcast!?!?

2007-11-12 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Nov 11, 2007, at 08:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've been checking a couple of times a year but it's going to > require a line upgrade that Verizon seems unlikely to do, > particularly if another ISP is going to be the beneficiary. I've been doing the same since about '96, when they p

Re: [OT] Understatement

2007-11-12 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Nov 11, 2007, at 11:45, Dan Jenkins wrote: > That should be enough for "decades to come." :-) And it'll still be hell to get somebody to announce BGP for your ASN because routing table size is still a problem. Once upon a time IPv6 was going to have some sort of hierarchical routing, wasn

Discounts and contests from InformIT.com, Pearson Education et al

2007-11-12 Thread Ted Roche
Pearson Education publishes imprints including Addison-Wesley Professional, IBM Press, Prentice Hall Professional, Que Publishing, Sams Publishing. They've offered a couple of books which I'll be glad to pass on to the GNHLUG library, and also asked me to post this: --- User Group members will re

Re: Odd www log entries: Accelerated browsing the culprit?

2007-11-12 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Nov 11, 2007, at 09:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Could I be seeing some sort of web acceleration technology? or a decelerator like Privoxy. Also, perhaps Apache doesn't log on HTTP request but when the request finishes? Some weird combinations of pipelining, pre-fetching, and keep-aliv

Re: A plague of daemons and the Unix Philosophy

2007-11-12 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Nov 12, 2007, at 11:57, Coleman Kane wrote: >> deb files suck big green donkey >> dicks. >> > Sounds like you're in a good position to put together that > document ;). And he already has the killer title. I bet I'd paypal the $3 PDF if I were in that situation. -Bill - Bill McGonig

Let's complain about package formats! (WAS: A plague of daemons and the Unix Philosophy)

2007-11-12 Thread Flaherty, Patrick
> The simple answer is that I highly prefesr rpm over debian. > The access is far simpler. Full use of deb files implies > about 13 different packages be loaded just to do deb things. > I'm in a situation right now where I have to create .deb > files and, while I'm getting my job done, I can te

rpm db rebuild question

2007-11-12 Thread t . littlefield
Hello, Since there seems to be a few RPM experts answering questions right now, perhaps one of them can offer some advice... My current RPM db is so corrupted, it cannot rebuild itself. The system is an FC6 plus updates as of about 1.5 months ago. Basically... I had set up a MythTV box, w

Re: A plague of daemons and the Unix Philosophy

2007-11-12 Thread Steven W. Orr
On Monday, Nov 12th 2007 at 12:31 -, quoth Jarod Wilson: =>On Monday 12 November 2007 11:57:22 am Coleman Kane wrote: =>> Steven W. Orr wrote: =>> > On Monday, Nov 12th 2007 at 11:14 -, quoth Neil Joseph Schelly: =>> =>> > =>Why is RPM or DEB a determining factor? =>[...] =>> > > > This is

Re: A plague of daemons and the Unix Philosophy

2007-11-12 Thread Ben Scott
On Nov 12, 2007 9:09 AM, kenta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> An automatic transmission doesn't know which way I'm going to turn. > > That car analogy isn't making sense to me As an example: An AT doesn't know that I'm about to turn a corner and go up a hill, so it doesn't know to down-shift

Re: Ignition (was Re: tftp config problem (ltsp))

2007-11-12 Thread Ben Scott
On Nov 12, 2007 10:26 AM, Coleman Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... whether or not the switch was implementing the appropriate flow control. The problem is, there is *NO* appropriate flow control the switch can implement. If you don't use Ethernet flow control, data doesn't transfer well.

Re: A plague of daemons and the Unix Philosophy

2007-11-12 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Monday 12 November 2007 11:57:22 am Coleman Kane wrote: > Steven W. Orr wrote: > > On Monday, Nov 12th 2007 at 11:14 -, quoth Neil Joseph Schelly: > > > =>Why is RPM or DEB a determining factor? [...] > > > > This is not a question of liking what you're familiar with. All of us > > know the

Re: A plague of daemons and the Unix Philosophy

2007-11-12 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Monday 12 November 2007 11:14:40 am Neil Joseph Schelly wrote: > On Monday 12 November 2007 10:50, Steven W. Orr wrote: > > This disturbs me. I hear great things about Ubuntu, but AFAICT, Fedora is > > the best and most cutting edge distro AND it's RPM based. I'm sorry, but > > I have no desire

Re: A plague of daemons and the Unix Philosophy

2007-11-12 Thread Coleman Kane
Steven W. Orr wrote: > On Monday, Nov 12th 2007 at 11:14 -, quoth Neil Joseph Schelly: > > =>On Monday 12 November 2007 10:50, Steven W. Orr wrote: > =>> This disturbs me. I hear great things about Ubuntu, but AFAICT, Fedora is > =>> the best and most cutting edge distro AND it's RPM based. I'm

Re: A plague of daemons and the Unix Philosophy

2007-11-12 Thread Steven W. Orr
On Monday, Nov 12th 2007 at 11:14 -, quoth Neil Joseph Schelly: =>On Monday 12 November 2007 10:50, Steven W. Orr wrote: =>> This disturbs me. I hear great things about Ubuntu, but AFAICT, Fedora is =>> the best and most cutting edge distro AND it's RPM based. I'm sorry, but =>> I have no desi

Re: Ignition (was Re: tftp config problem (ltsp))

2007-11-12 Thread Drew Van Zandt
Application-layer flow control. Ethernet does not understand that there can be multiple consumers of network information at the far end of the link, etc., so this should be implemented at a higher level. Geez, this hammer sucks, I can't seem to cut a straight line with it. --DTVZ ___

Re: A plague of daemons and the Unix Philosophy

2007-11-12 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
On Monday 12 November 2007 10:50, Steven W. Orr wrote: > This disturbs me. I hear great things about Ubuntu, but AFAICT, Fedora is > the best and most cutting edge distro AND it's RPM based. I'm sorry, but > I have no desire to move to a deb based system. > > If I was to contemplate a different dis

Re: A plague of daemons and the Unix Philosophy

2007-11-12 Thread Steven W. Orr
On Monday, Nov 12th 2007 at 07:30 -, quoth Jon 'maddog' Hall: =>My personal favorite is this: => => =>> I will eventually add some workarounds for =>> this. But it's low priority on my list, given the closed source nature =>> of Flash. Oh, and Flash is evil anyway. ;-) => =>Even with the wink,

[GNHLUG] NHRuby.org Meeting on TONIGHT Nov. 12: Reporting with Rails.

2007-11-12 Thread Scott Garman
Tonight's NHRuby.org meeting topic will be on reporting using Ruby on Rails. Guest speaker David Berube will cover using ActiveRecord to retrieve data from a database and demonstrate the use of Ruport, Gruff, and css_helper to present it. David is a resident of New Hampshire and the author of Pract

OT: Sun Station4/Monitor/External CDROM free to a good home.

2007-11-12 Thread Flaherty, Patrick
Since I'd rather pull out my toenails with pliars than work with solaris userland Does anyone have interest in an old Sun Station4. Worked the last time I powered it on. From what I remember it has a Sun->BNC type monitor connection. The monitor is pretty big, 19/20" or so. External CD drive.

Re: Ignition (was Re: tftp config problem (ltsp))

2007-11-12 Thread Coleman Kane
Ben Scott wrote: > On Nov 11, 2007 11:29 AM, Coleman Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Have you looked into the ethernet switch as the culprit, rather than the >> cards / drivers themselves? >> > > It's not a problem with the switch, the cards, the drivers, or > anything by itself. It

Re: A plague of daemons and the Unix Philosophy

2007-11-12 Thread Jim Kuzdrall
On Saturday 10 November 2007 23:00, Ben Scott wrote: > Okay, so I installed Fedora 8 today. > > Is this the way the architects intend things to be? Are the people > behind Fedora/KDE/GNOME/FreeDesktop.org/whatever really intent on > making Linux as complicated and inter-coupled as possible? H

Re: A plague of daemons and the Unix Philosophy

2007-11-12 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
My personal favorite is this: > I will eventually add some workarounds for > this. But it's low priority on my list, given the closed source nature > of Flash. Oh, and Flash is evil anyway. ;-) Even with the wink, I can hear lots of people moving away from Fedora. md -- Jon "maddog" Hall Execu