Re: Upgrade guidance

2008-10-21 Thread Bruce Dawson
Ben Scott wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I forgot to mention, here's a little script I wrote to help me find the cruft that a yum upgrade somehow manages to leave behind on occasion (imperfect Obsoletes: I assume): (... Google

Re: Upgrade guidance

2008-10-21 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Bruce Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe 'comm -12 file1 file2' will come close to giving you an intersection of two [sorted] files. close? :) The man page seems to indicate that's exactly what it will do. Assuming it works as advertised, I think

Re: Old rackmount equipment?

2008-10-21 Thread Dave Johnson
Drew Van Zandt writes: Hey all, I'm looking for old, not necessarily functional rackmount equipment to fill a rack with for some airflow experiments I'm doing, and I was wondering if anyone had junk lying around that would qualify. Anything I can bolt into a rack will do, from shelves to

Re: Upgrade guidance

2008-10-21 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Oct 21, 2008, at 08:25, Ben Scott wrote: close? :) The man page seems to indicate that's exactly what it will do. nice. I had as much luck Googling as you did. I think we need keywords/tags for 'man -k' to use. The correct keyword was 'common', but I was trying 'sets,

Re: Upgrade guidance

2008-10-21 Thread Derek Atkins
Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Due to an installer regression in Fedora 9 that has yet to be fixed for F10 (installer pukes on Samsung hard drives that have a '/' in their model name), I had to install F8 on a box last week, and opted to go straight to rawhide from there. It worked

Re: Upgrade guidance

2008-10-21 Thread mike ledoux
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:40:50PM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: But I always go one step at a time. Most recently I took one machine from F7 - 8 - 9. Unfortunately I suspect I'll have a hard time bringing my FC3 system up to date that way. ;) Maybe less trouble than you think, the machine I'm

Re: Upgrade guidance

2008-10-21 Thread Tom Buskey
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyways, I've successfully used yum on multiple systems to upgrade. But I always go one step at a time. Most recently I took one machine from F7 - 8 - 9. Unfortunately I suspect I'll have a hard time bringing my FC3

Re: Upgrade guidance

2008-10-21 Thread Jefferson Kirkland
That's good to know Mike, thanks! Thankfully I don't have a need for gdm as I don't know that it is installed. Even if it is, we don't normally run these systems in desktop mode as its all remote. If I have any issues with the upgrade, I will certainly post them here if I cannot figure (Google)

shell, perl, performance, parallelism, profiling, etc. (was: Upgrade guidance)

2008-10-21 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we need keywords/tags for 'man -k' to use. Well, there's man -K, but it's slw. I typically use Google as a substitute, but that failed me in this case. I suspect I'd still fail though, even with a better

Re: Upgrade guidance

2008-10-21 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 12:40 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Due to an installer regression in Fedora 9 that has yet to be fixed for F10 (installer pukes on Samsung hard drives that have a '/' in their model name), I had to install F8 on a box last week,

Re: Upgrade guidance

2008-10-21 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 13:18 -0400, Tom Buskey wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyways, I've successfully used yum on multiple systems to upgrade. But I always go one step at a time. Most recently I took one

Re: shell, perl, performance, parallelism, profiling, etc. (was: Upgrade guidance)

2008-10-21 Thread Michael Pelletier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:56:21 -0400 Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Efficiency is surprisingly worse with bash/comm, I don't get why: *Very* interesting. I don't get

Re: shell, perl, performance, parallelism, profiling, etc. (was: Upgrade guidance)

2008-10-21 Thread Michael ODonnell
Note, only valid in bash, not sh. Yah, and it doesn't matter if you use #!/bin/bash at the top if you're running the script with sh foo.sh. It took me five minutes to figure that out just now. D'oh. That process substitution facility is a favorite of mine but it isn't POSIX, and IIRC

Some progress being made... Dual boot linices?

2008-10-21 Thread bruce . labitt
First off - my humble thanks to the wisdom of the list for helping me along in this crazy journey. My Cell blade processor now boots and runs YDL6.0. Of course that is all that it does at this point, eventually I will actually have to use it for something besides a space heater... When I was

Re: Upgrade guidance

2008-10-21 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:29 -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 12:40 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Due to an installer regression in Fedora 9 that has yet to be fixed for F10 (installer pukes on Samsung hard drives that have a '/' in

Re: shell, perl, performance, parallelism, profiling, etc. (was: Upgrade guidance)

2008-10-21 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Oct 21, 2008, at 13:56, Ben Scott wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we need keywords/tags for 'man -k' to use. Well, there's man -K, but it's slw. I typically use Google as a substitute, but that failed me in this case. I

Re: shell, perl, performance, parallelism, profiling, etc. (was: Upgrade guidance)

2008-10-21 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Ben Scott writes: Consider: If the RPM database is in cache, then the package-cleanup utility is going to mainly be reading data from already cached pages (memory mapped file I/O). In the Perl script, everything is serialized. But in the bash script, both package-cleanup invocations can

Re: Upgrade guidance

2008-10-21 Thread Derek Atkins
mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:40:50PM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: But I always go one step at a time. Most recently I took one machine from F7 - 8 - 9. Unfortunately I suspect I'll have a hard time bringing my FC3 system up to date that way. ;) Maybe

Re: Upgrade guidance

2008-10-21 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 16:33 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:40:50PM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: But I always go one step at a time. Most recently I took one machine from F7 - 8 - 9. Unfortunately I suspect I'll have a hard

Re: Upgrade guidance

2008-10-21 Thread Derek Atkins
Quoting Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oh, yeah, I hit this issue too. Wasn't TOO hard to deal with manually, but still quite annoying to have to. Packager error when you encounter that. Shouldn't ever happen, newer distro should always have a higher NVR. The one I remember was frysk.

was: Dual boot linices?

2008-10-21 Thread bruce . labitt
Anyone installed ubuntu to be dual boot with centos? What do I look out for? If you wanted to use a shared /boot between the two, it'd be a bit messy... For one, Ubuntu uses menu.lst for its grub config, CentOS uses grub.conf, with a menu.lst symlink to it, so depending on which distros

Re: Upgrade guidance

2008-10-21 Thread mike ledoux
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:53:22PM -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote: I borked it pretty hard trying to yum upgrade from fc8-9 yesterday; some of the packages on a fully up-to-date fc8 system have higher version numbers than the same packages in the fc9 repositories, which made things

Re: Upgrade guidance

2008-10-21 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 17:25 -0400, mike ledoux wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:53:22PM -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote: I borked it pretty hard trying to yum upgrade from fc8-9 yesterday; some of the packages on a fully up-to-date fc8 system have higher version numbers than the same

Re: Upgrade guidance

2008-10-21 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 17:03 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: Quoting Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oh, yeah, I hit this issue too. Wasn't TOO hard to deal with manually, but still quite annoying to have to. Packager error when you encounter that. Shouldn't ever happen, newer distro

Re: was: Dual boot linices?

2008-10-21 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Oct 21, 2008, at 17:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are these linices hostile to each other? They don't agree on the best version and file layout for their bootloaders. Bootloading and grub especially are among the most harrowing aspects of running a Linux machine. There's room for

Re: shell, perl, performance, parallelism, profiling, etc. (was: Upgrade guidance)

2008-10-21 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it because the shell tools fork, and children aren't counted? If that were so my shell numbers should be lower. Good point. As you suggest, maybe time(1) is just borken on MP. Neither the time(1) man page, nor the

Re: shell, perl, performance, parallelism, profiling, etc. (was: Upgrade guidance)

2008-10-21 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Challenge accepted okay, intersect.pl will follow in a separate message. #!/usr/bin/perl -w # intersect.pl # Gives the intersection of two text files (lines contained in both files). # Similar to comm(1), but does not

Re: was: Dual boot linices?

2008-10-21 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Oct 21, 2008, at 5:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone installed ubuntu to be dual boot with centos? What do I look out for? If you wanted to use a shared /boot between the two, it'd be a bit messy... For one, Ubuntu uses menu.lst for its grub config, CentOS uses grub.conf, with a

Re: was: Dual boot linices?

2008-10-21 Thread Jarod Wilson
On Oct 21, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote: On Oct 21, 2008, at 17:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are these linices hostile to each other? They don't agree on the best version and file layout for their bootloaders. Bootloading and grub especially are among the most

Re: was: Dual boot linices?

2008-10-21 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Oct 21, 2008, at 21:26, Jarod Wilson wrote: First and foremost, you need disk space free. While non-destructively repartitioning is possible with just a commandline, the GParted LiveCD sure makes it easy if you can reboot the machine: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?