Re: Free network switches

2009-10-06 Thread Dan Miller
The switches are called for. Dan Dan Miller wrote: > I have 2 Dell PowerConnects 3048. > http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/network/2T180/ > > 48 port managed 10/100 switches > 2 10/100/1000 ports > > Rack ears are screwed on currently. > > I have been told, both are fully working and were

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Dave Johnson
Ben Scott writes: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Tom Buskey wrote: > > And RAIDs should be scrubbed periodically. > > Modern RAID controllers usually feature something called "patrol > read", which reads all the blocks on the physical disks in the > background, when otherwise idle. > > I

Free network switches

2009-10-06 Thread Dan Miller
I have 2 Dell PowerConnects 3048. http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/network/2T180/ 48 port managed 10/100 switches 2 10/100/1000 ports Rack ears are screwed on currently. I have been told, both are fully working and were replaced when we moved offices. Dan __

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Thomas Charron
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Ben Scott wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Thomas Charron wrote: >>  It really suprised me that I couldn't find this information in the >> /proc fs anywhere. >  What do you think this is, MS Windows?  :)  We've got a perfectly > servicable tool (dumpe2fs)

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 10/06/2009 10:19 AM, Alex Hewitt wrote: > Thanks Ken, Dave and Ben for the answers and thoughtful analysis. I > currently have essentially one large partition for Linux and another > large partition for Vista. I think when I set up my next system I'm > going to make the granularity of the fil

Re: [semi-OT] Pretty vs. Useful output

2009-10-06 Thread Chip Marshall
On October 06, 2009, Michael ODonnell sent me the following: > > Gr!! A long-standing source of frustration for me is that people who > definitely should know better insist on writing code that utters only > "pretty" outputs instead of useful, parseable info. Yes, it's darling > and precious

Re: [semi-OT] Pretty vs. Useful output

2009-10-06 Thread mark
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Michael ODonnell < michael.odonn...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Gr!! A long-standing source of frustration for me is that people who > definitely should know better insist on writing code that utters only > "pretty" outputs instead of useful, parseable info. Ye

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Michael ODonnell
> Modern RAID controllers usually feature something called "patrol >read", which reads all the blocks on the physical disks in the >background, when otherwise idle. > > Is there a similar feature in Linux's RAID implementation? As of 2005 when I was obliged to write scrubber code along the lin

[semi-OT] Pretty vs. Useful output

2009-10-06 Thread Michael ODonnell
>> No need to stick it in /proc, but parsing the output of utilities with >> scripts is subject to all kinds of potential errors and inefficiencies. > > If that's your concern, the utility should have an output mode >that's more friendly to machine interpretation. :) Gr!! A long-standin

Re: [GNHLUG] GNHLUG is turning 15! Let's have a party!

2009-10-06 Thread Tom Buskey
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Ben Scott wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Bill McGonigle > wrote: > > On 10/06/2009 12:33 AM, Ben Scott wrote: > >> Manch-Vegas is centrally located amongst most of NH's population > >> centers (sorry, Bill!) > > > > Just to be pedantic, "and the other

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Tom Buskey
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > My Ubuntu 8.10 system uses EXT3 for the root filesystem and will > automatically fschk the volume every 35 mounts. > >> > > Someday soon, Linux will have btrfs. I don't think it does/needs fsck. > > And ZFS doesn't fsck either. >

Re: [GNHLUG] GNHLUG is turning 15! Let's have a party!

2009-10-06 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote: > On 10/06/2009 12:33 AM, Ben Scott wrote: >> Manch-Vegas is centrally located amongst most of NH's population >> centers (sorry, Bill!) > > Just to be pedantic, "and the other 108 members of DLSLUG". Clearly what is needed here is *two* pa

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote: > No need to stick it in /proc, but parsing the output of utilities with > scripts is subject to all kinds of potential errors and inefficiencies. If that's your concern, the utility should have an output mode that's more friendly to machin

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 10/06/2009 10:42 AM, Ben Scott wrote: > What do you think this is, MS Windows? :) We've got a perfectly > servicable tool (dumpe2fs) that will tell us the information. Why do > we need a kernel API for it? :) No need to stick it in /proc, but parsing the output of utilities with scripts i

Re: [GNHLUG] GNHLUG is turning 15! Let's have a party!

2009-10-06 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 10/06/2009 12:33 AM, Ben Scott wrote: > Somewhere in Manchester, perhaps -- > Manch-Vegas is centrally located amongst most of NH's population > centers (sorry, Bill!) Just to be pedantic, "and the other 108 members of DLSLUG". But a party is just a party and I don't have geolocation on the DL

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Tom Buskey wrote: > And RAIDs should be scrubbed periodically. Modern RAID controllers usually feature something called "patrol read", which reads all the blocks on the physical disks in the background, when otherwise idle. Is there a similar feature in Linux

Re: [GNHLUG] GNHLUG is turning 15! Let's have a party!

2009-10-06 Thread Seth Cohn
http://doodle.com/ysxe3gm9cdf3rdi5 Very obvious how to use it. Doodle isn't perfect, but it's really good for finding the best date/time. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Ben Scott wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Seth Cohn wrote: >> I suggest a doodle.com vote to see who can make when.

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
My Ubuntu 8.10 system uses EXT3 for the root filesystem and will automatically fschk the volume every 35 mounts. >> > Someday soon, Linux will have btrfs. I don't think it does/needs fsck. > And ZFS doesn't fsck either. I can't vouch for ZFS, but btrfs most certainly does have both on-l

Re: [GNHLUG] GNHLUG is turning 15! Let's have a party!

2009-10-06 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
>I also think it would be neat to have the gathering on the anniversary >date. Well, to throw a little gasoline into the discussion: o The date you mention is the date of the first meeting of what-would-become the GNHLUG meeting. I still remember sitting around a few weeks later trying to discus

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Tom Buskey
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Alex Hewitt wrote: > Ben Scott wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Alex Hewitt > wrote: > > > >> My Ubuntu 8.10 system uses EXT3 for the root filesystem and will > >> automatically fschk the volume every 35 mounts. > Someday soon, Linux will have btrfs. I

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Thomas Charron wrote: >  It really suprised me that I couldn't find this information in the > /proc fs anywhere. What do you think this is, MS Windows? :) We've got a perfectly servicable tool (dumpe2fs) that will tell us the information. Why do we need a ker

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Alex Hewitt wrote: > I think when I set up my next system I'm going to make > the granularity of the file systems finer by dividing up > the mount points/partitions. I should probabbly mention that when I wrote "partition" I actually meant "logical volume". I u

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Thomas Charron
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Alex Hewitt wrote: > My Ubuntu 8.10 system uses EXT3 for the root filesystem and will > automatically fschk the volume every 35 mounts.  I haven't been able to > find out where the mount count is stored or how that data can be > retrieved. I don't want to change the

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Alex Hewitt
Ben Scott wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Alex Hewitt wrote: > >> My Ubuntu 8.10 system uses EXT3 for the root filesystem and will >> automatically fschk the volume every 35 mounts. >> > > I see the question's been answered, but here's some general commentary, > FWIW. > > I g

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Alex Hewitt wrote: > My Ubuntu 8.10 system uses EXT3 for the root filesystem and will > automatically fschk the volume every 35 mounts. I see the question's been answered, but here's some general commentary, FWIW. I generally find it's more appropriate to use

Re: [GNHLUG] GNHLUG is turning 15! Let's have a party!

2009-10-06 Thread Bayard Coolidge
Well, I'll be with you in spirit, and will lift a frosty mug that evening to celebrate. I'm currently spending the summer in Hendersonville, NC, where we have a second home, and run openSUSE 11.1 on the second hard drive on my HP dv9000z laptop. I also have a 320GB USB drive with F11, openSUSE 11.2

Re: [GNHLUG] GNHLUG is turning 15! Let's have a party!

2009-10-06 Thread Jim Kuzdrall
On Tuesday 06 October 2009 07:34, Ben Scott wrote: > Well, while your presence would definitely be appreciated/missed, I > also think it would be neat to have the gathering on the anniversary > date. What do others think? I eat eat every day (so far) and any excuse for a party is a good ex

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Dave Johnson
Alex Hewitt writes: > My Ubuntu 8.10 system uses EXT3 for the root filesystem and will > automatically fschk the volume every 35 mounts. I haven't been able to > find out where the mount count is stored or how that data can be > retrieved. I don't want to change the automated fschk but I'd like

Re: How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 | grep -i "mount count" (Where /dev/sda1 is the presumed partition.) -Ken P.S. Insert creative ramblings here about how btrfs will allow on-line fsck's, include per-file checksums, and wash your dishes. On Tue, October 6, 2009 8:35 am, Alex Hewitt wrote: > My Ubuntu 8.10

How can I retrieve the mount count for an ext3 volume?

2009-10-06 Thread Alex Hewitt
My Ubuntu 8.10 system uses EXT3 for the root filesystem and will automatically fschk the volume every 35 mounts. I haven't been able to find out where the mount count is stored or how that data can be retrieved. I don't want to change the automated fschk but I'd like to display the count so I

Re: How Apple makes more profit on their systems... By controling the support sphere

2009-10-06 Thread Tom Buskey
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote: > On 10/05/2009 12:36 PM, Tom Buskey wrote: > > > > Apple hasn't been as free with their hardware in the past (the 68k > > systems) and the iPod/IPhone are in that group, but the x86 systems have > > been fairly open to different OSen and soft

Re: [GNHLUG] GNHLUG is turning 15! Let's have a party!

2009-10-06 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Seth Cohn wrote: > I suggest a doodle.com vote to see who can make when... Set it up and post the link. And if it's not obvious, explain how to use it. :) This is a group effort. :) -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mail

Re: [GNHLUG] GNHLUG is turning 15! Let's have a party!

2009-10-06 Thread Seth Cohn
I suggest a doodle.com vote to see who can make when... On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Ben Scott wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: >> I will be in Brazil from October 12th to the morning of October 26th. > >  Well, while your presence would definitely be apprecia

Re: [GNHLUG] GNHLUG is turning 15! Let's have a party!

2009-10-06 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: > I will be in Brazil from October 12th to the morning of October 26th. Well, while your presence would definitely be appreciated/missed, I also think it would be neat to have the gathering on the anniversary date. What do others think?

Re: [GNHLUG] GNHLUG is turning 15! Let's have a party!

2009-10-06 Thread Michael Kazin
I've got my grandmother coming up to see the leaves (and me) sometime in the next few weeks but we could probably work around it for such a worthy cause. As long as the place serves picky eaters like me* I'll be there. * if( ! $bluemoon ) { s/veggies/starch/g ; cat /etc/fish > /dev/null } -- Micha

Re: [GNHLUG] GNHLUG is turning 15! Let's have a party!

2009-10-06 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Ben, I will be in Brazil from October 12th to the morning of October 26th. I could participate one week later than the 19th, or on the evening of October 11th, one week and a day early. md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org

Re: Prebuilt/turn-key PC options

2009-10-06 Thread Brian Chabot
Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: > `Open Systems FTW'? > > So..., I just recently heard about these guys: > > http://www.system76.com/ > > Anyone here have experience with, or opinions of, them? > Nope. But I do have (intimate you might say) experience with a *local* provider of Linux sy