Re: Spam control -- low tech rules! (was: BitTorrent and Comcast?)

2004-09-30 Thread Fred
On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 22:43, Benjamin Scott wrote: ... > What's nastier is that spammers are now starting to include "real" text in > their spam. They seem to be either using public domain works (from Project > Gutenberg, I'll bet), or fragments of stuff harvested from the > web/Usenet/something

Re: Spam control (was: BitTorrent and Comcast?)

2004-09-29 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, at 2:27pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I believe that he aim of such messages is to poison the cache of filters > such as SpamAssassin and POPFile ... That is generally assumed to be the intent, yes. > I'm not at all sure that this sort of thing accomplishes its goal, though

Re: Spam control (was: BitTorrent and Comcast?)

2004-09-29 Thread Bill Mullen
On Wed, 2004-09-29 at 12:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > There also seems to be the new trend of sending crap emails that have no > content and random words.. I think those are just sent to verify email > addresses, but then there's no product or service being sold. I believe that he aim of such m

Re: Spam control (was: BitTorrent and Comcast?)

2004-09-29 Thread Michael ODonnell
>> There also seems to be the new trend of sending crap emails that >> have no content and random words.. I think those are just sent >> to verify email addresses, but then there's no product or service >> being sold. > >sometimes this is just in the text/plain part - the ad is in the >text/html

Re: Spam control (was: BitTorrent and Comcast?)

2004-09-29 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Sep 29, 2004, at 12:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There also seems to be the new trend of sending crap emails that have no content and random words.. I think those are just sent to verify email addresses, but then there's no product or service being sold. sometimes this is just in the text/plain

Re: Spam control (was: BitTorrent and Comcast?)

2004-09-29 Thread travis
> Hewitt Tech writes: > > > ... > > I guess what puzzles me is that spam is almost always used on behalf > of someone who is trying to get customers. It's those companies that > should get burned. If spam is tracked back to them, and I don't see > why it's particularly hard since they always put

Re: BitTorrent and Comcast?

2004-09-29 Thread Kevin D. Clark
Jeff Kinz writes: > When I find them (I get almost no spam at all these days), I sometimes > follow the trail back to the original company's website, track down the > hosting company, and send the spam with an explanation that the company > is violating the AUP to abuse@. I find that SpamCop doe

Re: Spam control (was: BitTorrent and Comcast?)

2004-09-29 Thread Bill Freeman
Hewitt Tech writes: > ... > I guess what puzzles me is that spam is almost always used on behalf of > someone who is trying to get customers. It's those companies that should get > burned. If spam is tracked back to them, and I don't see why it's > particularly hard since they always put cont

Re: BitTorrent and Comcast?

2004-09-29 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 10:53:12AM -0400, Hewitt Tech wrote: > I guess what puzzles me is that spam is almost always used on behalf of > someone who is trying to get customers. It's those companies that should get > burned. If spam is tracked back to them, and I don't see why it's > particularly ha

Re: BitTorrent and Comcast?

2004-09-29 Thread Hewitt Tech
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:14 AM Subject: Re: BitTorrent and Comcast? . . . > Okay, take into account tha

Re: BitTorrent and Comcast?

2004-09-29 Thread travis
>> Sure. Tell me how NH residents like myself are supposed to track >> down a >> criminal in Russia sending stuff from a zombie box in Korea and using >> a PO Box in Mexico. >> > > Why would this be your job? All I'm saying is that no one is even > willing to entertain the reports. As far as I

Re: BitTorrent and Comcast?

2004-09-28 Thread Hewitt Tech
- Original Message - From: "Benjamin Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Greater NH Linux User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:10 PM Subject: Re: BitTorrent and Comcast? > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, at 3:36pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: BitTorrent and Comcast?

2004-09-28 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 08:10:10PM -0400, Benjamin Scott wrote: > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, at 3:36pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The scammers should be tracked down one by one and made to face the > > courts. > > Sure. Tell me how NH residents like myself are supposed to track down a > criminal i

Re: BitTorrent and Comcast?

2004-09-28 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, at 3:36pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The scammers should be tracked down one by one and made to face the > courts. Sure. Tell me how NH residents like myself are supposed to track down a criminal in Russia sending stuff from a zombie box in Korea and using a PO Box in Mexi

Re: BitTorrent and Comcast?

2004-09-28 Thread Hewitt Tech
- Original Message - From: "Jeff Kinz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Greater NH Linux User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:44 PM Subject: Re: BitTorrent and Comcast? . . > its a bit like asking

Re: BitTorrent and Comcast?

2004-09-27 Thread Jeff Kinz
On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 08:52:15PM -0400, Benjamin Scott wrote: > On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, at 4:05pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Does anyone know whether Comcast considers using BitTorrent as a client to > > be a terms of service violation (because each client also serves)? > > > I c

Re: BitTorrent and Comcast?

2004-09-27 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, at 4:05pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Does anyone know whether Comcast considers using BitTorrent as a client to > be a terms of service violation (because each client also serves)? When an ISP's ToS refer to running "servers", they generally mean hosting services. They don

Re: BitTorrent and Comcast?

2004-09-27 Thread Bill Mullen
On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 16:05, Bill Freeman wrote: > Does anyone know whether Comcast considers using BitTorrent as > a client to be a terms of service violation (because each client also > serves)? I can't get a straight answer out of Comcast customer > support. They just quote the sections

Re: BitTorrent and Comcast?

2004-09-27 Thread Bruce Dawson
On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 16:32, Bill McGonigle wrote: > On Sep 27, 2004, at 16:05, Bill Freeman wrote: > > > What probably matters is whether their network monitoring people watch > > for, notice, and object to, the kind of activity that BitTorrent > > generates. > > Right - good luck pinning them d

Re: BitTorrent and Comcast?

2004-09-27 Thread Ted Roche
I've used BitTorrent to grab all the latest Linux ISOs (and to serve them back, of course) for a while now, and haven't heard any threatening noises from Comcast. Otoh, a friend got a warning letter from the MPAA for the movies he was apparently downloading. Remember, BT is not anonymous P2P sh

Re: BitTorrent and Comcast?

2004-09-27 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Sep 27, 2004, at 16:05, Bill Freeman wrote: What probably matters is whether their network monitoring people watch for, notice, and object to, the kind of activity that BitTorrent generates. Right - good luck pinning them down on it too - they allegedly like to change the rules to suit their ne

BitTorrent and Comcast?

2004-09-27 Thread Bill Freeman
Does anyone know whether Comcast considers using BitTorrent as a client to be a terms of service violation (because each client also serves)? I can't get a straight answer out of Comcast customer support. They just quote the sections of the terms of service that caused me to ask in the fi