Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-08 Thread Frank DiPrete
tachyons - cool This is explains why my wifi is so much better now. I must be installing one of these some time in the future ... Bill McGonigle wrote: Only because the pedantic salvo was fired. :) ... On Jul 6, 2008, at 04:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hats off to Linksys for

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-07 Thread Bill McGonigle
Only because the pedantic salvo was fired. :) ... On Jul 6, 2008, at 04:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hats off to Linksys for introducing the first SOHO router capable of transmitting its data signals over tachyons... Quote from the product specifications on newegg: MIMO technology

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-05 Thread VirginSnow
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:16:07 -0400 From: Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: USB and GigE too; neat. Hopefully that is true. The port line in the specs says Ports 1 x 10/100M WAN; 4 x 10/100M LAN NewEgg's never

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-04 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 20:39 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: On Jul 3, 2008, at 13:04, Bill McGonigle wrote: Say, if anybody's seen a small (vs. a standard PC stuffed full of PCI cards) a/b/g/n unit that can handle the openwrt-ish open firmwares, please let me know. Apparently, since the

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-04 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Lloyd Kvam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: USB and GigE too; neat. Hopefully that is true. The port line in the specs says Ports 1 x 10/100M WAN; 4 x 10/100M LAN NewEgg's never been terribly good at transcribing mfg specs. Like their slogan says, Once you

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-03 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Jul 1, 2008, at 19:54, Alex Hewitt wrote: I just read the End User License Agreement that came with one of my customer's Juniper Networks Netscreen appliances and it basically has the same nontransferable rights clause that Cisco uses. Same deal, you can't sell your used Netscreen

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-03 Thread Michael ODonnell
And, FWIW, I've got a couple dozen WRT-54G[S,L,v4,v3,v2]* units in the field and the only one that's failed had taken a lightning strike. My oldest one is now 5 years old, so at $50-ish, I owe them nothing. Closer to $41 today if you can stomach a mail-in rebate:

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-03 Thread Drew Van Zandt
Minor warning: OpenVPN is configured NOT to check for revoked certificates by default. (Default install on Debian, anyway, and I suspect it's similar elsewhere.) Not likely a big deal for home use, but for business use fortunately I was careful enough to check a known-revoked certificate the

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-03 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Oh, but it gets better. If that Cisco box hasn't been on a maintenance contract, you have to have it tested and recertified by an authorized VAR before you can buy a new maintenance contract on it so you can then buy the IOS image. Thanks for bringing back really horrible memories (sigh).

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-03 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contrast with HP: download firmware updates from the website. Hardware can be slightly more expensive up front, and they've only gotten really solid for things like VLAN's in the past couple years. I've found the

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-03 Thread Arc Riley
Closer to $41 today if you can stomach a mail-in rebate: Or even less than that if you're purchasing even a handful at once and act as a reseller. It's really not worth it for most computer components, pricewatch is often lower than *your* wholesale cost, but networking gear it's very much

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-03 Thread John Abreau
On Thu, July 3, 2008 1:18 pm, Drew Van Zandt said: Minor warning: OpenVPN is configured NOT to check for revoked certificates by default. (Default install on Debian, anyway, and I suspect it's similar elsewhere.) Not likely a big deal for home use, but for business use fortunately I

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-03 Thread Thomas Charron
On 7/3/08, John Abreau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, July 3, 2008 1:18 pm, Drew Van Zandt said: Minor warning: OpenVPN is configured NOT to check for revoked certificates by default. (Default install on Debian, anyway, and I suspect it's similar That's odd; whenever I installed it, I

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-03 Thread Neil Joseph Schelly
On Thursday 03 July 2008 15:15, John Abreau wrote: On Thu, July 3, 2008 1:18 pm, Drew Van Zandt said: Minor warning: OpenVPN is configured NOT to check for revoked certificates by default. (Default install on Debian, anyway, and I suspect it's similar elsewhere.) Not likely a big deal

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-03 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Jul 3, 2008, at 13:04, Bill McGonigle wrote: Say, if anybody's seen a small (vs. a standard PC stuffed full of PCI cards) a/b/g/n unit that can handle the openwrt-ish open firmwares, please let me know. Apparently, since the Aussies shut down Buffalo in patent court they don't exist. To

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-03 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Jul 3, 2008, at 13:30, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: Otherwise what would keep a person from not having a maintenance contract, allowing the system to break, and then getting a contract when it does break? At least CISCO gave you a path for putting it back on maintenance or buying used

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-02 Thread Alex Hewitt
On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 23:05 -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I'll spend more time learning how to use OpenVPN... If you've got experience configuring other VPNs, you'll probably find OpenVPN is really easy. I've got

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-01 Thread Bill Freeman
... I've not really been interested in Linksys gear because I've had terrible experience with the hardware just crapping out, and I've had good experience with Netgear, so I was glad to see this. On the other hand, I've had the only Netgear that I owned crap out too. To be fair, it provided

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-01 Thread Alex Hewitt
On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 09:17 -0400, Bill Freeman wrote: ... I've not really been interested in Linksys gear because I've had terrible experience with the hardware just crapping out, and I've had good experience with Netgear, so I was glad to see this. On the other hand, I've had the only

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-01 Thread Chip Marshall
On July 01, 2008, Alex Hewitt sent me the following: Bill beat me to the punch on this. I've had plenty of bad hardware/firmware from both Netgear and LinkSys. D-Link will also find detractors for pretty much the same reasons. The issue for me with these brands is the relatively poor support.

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Arc Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it was really designed for hacking it'd include more flash, ram, and pinouts for expanding/hacking the hardware. Designed for hacking is relative. When LinkSys, NetGear, et. al., say that, what they mean is: A1. It has

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Chip Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I've never had any problems with my two WRT54G units ... I could tell war stories for any given brand. For pretty much everything in this product space (NetGear, LinkSys, D-Link, Belkin, etc.), they're

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-01 Thread Gerry Hull
Or, Buy a used Cisco router on Ebay for around the same price, and get much more functionality (though much harder to configure). I have a 1720 and it does everything I want and more. Gerry On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:38 AM,

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-01 Thread John Abreau
On Tue, July 1, 2008 2:28 pm, Gerry Hull said: Or, Buy a used Cisco router on Ebay for around the same price, and get much more functionality (though much harder to configure). I have a 1720 and it does everything I want and more. What Cisco equipment would you recommend for 802.11N?

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gerry Hull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, Buy a used Cisco router on Ebay ... I thought with Cisco, the IOS (firmware) license wasn't transferable, so even if you bought used hardware, you still had to buy an IOS license from Cisco? (One can violate the

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-01 Thread Alex Hewitt
On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 18:25 -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gerry Hull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, Buy a used Cisco router on Ebay ... I thought with Cisco, the IOS (firmware) license wasn't transferable, so even if you bought used hardware, you still had to buy

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-01 Thread Alex Hewitt
On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 18:55 -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought with Cisco, the IOS (firmware) license wasn't transferable, so even if you bought used hardware, you still had to buy an IOS license from Cisco? Really?

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-07-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Alex Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I'll spend more time learning how to use OpenVPN... If you've got experience configuring other VPNs, you'll probably find OpenVPN is really easy. I've got config files and some knowledge I can share if anyone is

Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-06-30 Thread Shawn O'Shea
Netgear is now offering a wireless home router tailored for running open source firmware (ala the Linksys WRT-L series). I've not really been interested in Linksys gear because I've had terrible experience with the hardware just crapping out, and I've had good experience with Netgear, so I was

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-06-30 Thread Arc Riley
From the specs, it looks like mostly marketing hype to me. If it was really designed for hacking it'd include more flash, ram, and pinouts for expanding/hacking the hardware. Even if they were especially capped for spec/cost, it's not hard to offer access to the I2C bus, very useful for adding

Re: Netgear now touting open source WRT-compatible wireless router

2008-06-30 Thread Arc Riley
I agree completely, I'm not discounting the power of marketing hype! It's a huge boon having products in stores listed as Linux compatible, even if fundamentally identical to the same product 6 inches away that costs 10% to 20% less. Hopefully they'll see that people are cracking them open to