Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-11 Thread Paul Lussier
Stephen Ryan step...@sryanfamily.info writes: On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 10:50 -0500, Paul Lussier wrote: That being said, I can only hope for the quick, and painful demise of both MySql and PHP. -- Paul - who is trapped in a company with close to 1 million MySql databases being accessed by

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-08 Thread Paul Lussier
Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org writes: On the other hand, I wonder how many government installations are running MySQL at this pointnot that it would or should influence anything. Most MediaWiki installs use MySql by default. Most WordPress installs use MySql by default. Most Joomla

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-08 Thread Stephen Ryan
On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 10:50 -0500, Paul Lussier wrote: . That being said, I can only hope for the quick, and painful demise of both MySql and PHP. -- Paul - who is trapped in a company with close to 1 million MySql databases being accessed by really bad PHP code. ...because having

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-08 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Stephen Ryan step...@sryanfamily.info wrote: Paul - who is trapped in a company with close to 1 million MySql databases being accessed by really bad PHP code. ...because having close to 1 million {PostgreSQL, Interbase, CouchDB, SQLite} databases being

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-08 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
Stephen Ryan step...@sryanfamily.info writes: On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 10:50 -0500, Paul Lussier wrote: That being said, I can only hope for the quick, and painful demise of both MySql and PHP. -- Paul - who is trapped in a company with close to 1 million MySql databases being

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-08 Thread Stephen Ryan
On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 16:03 -0500, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: Stephen Ryan step...@sryanfamily.info writes: On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 10:50 -0500, Paul Lussier wrote: That being said, I can only hope for the quick, and painful demise of both MySql and PHP. -- Paul - who is

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-08 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: (:flame  Well, `bad' is not necessarily as *ingrained* into those   other languages (or DBs) or their cultures) Anyone who blames bad code on the language has a far bigger problem than the language they're

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-08 Thread G Rundlett
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Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-08 Thread Ted Roche
On 01/08/2010 05:21 PM, Ben Scott wrote: Anyone who blames bad code on the language has a far bigger problem than the language they're using. (Since we're inciting to riot.) Yeah, no sense throwing rationality into a good flamefest. A wise man told me long ago, It's a poor craftsman who

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-08 Thread Drew Van Zandt
It's a poor craftsman who blames *only* his tools, without trying to find better ones. It's no better for a craftsman to ignore the effects a tool has on the product. I have yet to find a hardware design toolchain that isn't maddening in at least half a hundred ways. Even the free / open source

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-06 Thread Ben Scott
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Jeffry Smith jsm...@alum.mit.edu wrote: Could it be the community hasn't stood up because you have to assign copyright to MySQL/Sun/Oracle, and people don't like giving their work to a company to run their business without compensation. What, you don't like

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-06 Thread Jeffry Smith
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Jeffry Smith jsm...@alum.mit.edu wrote: Could it be the community hasn't stood up because you have to assign copyright to MySQL/Sun/Oracle, and people don't like giving their work to a

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-06 Thread Thomas Charron
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jeffry Smith jsm...@alum.mit.edu wrote: Seems that no one else does either.  Amazing how Red Hat can get all those folks to contribute, but MySQL can't.  Oh, right - Red Hat GPLs their code, and doesn't (as far as I know) require you to assign copyright to them.

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-06 Thread Ben Scott
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com wrote:  Woah there nelly.  RedHat was just as bad in some cases.  Take a look at the eCos situation from several years ago, specifically, the 'Red Hat eCos Public License'. Yah, and how'd that work out for them? -- Ben

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-05 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 01/01/2010 11:19 AM, Ted Roche wrote: Passing on this email. I'd be interested in your opinions of the issues raised. So Monty want the EU to *force* Oracle to compete against MySQL? Didn't he sell-out already? -Bill -- Bill McGonigle, Owner BFC Computing, LLC http://bfccomputing.com/

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-05 Thread Jeffry Smith
What strikes me is his apparent non-belief in Open Source. Basically, he's arguing that you need to force the disgorgement to protect the current proprietary MySQL clients, and they're needed for continuing development, because the Open Source community hasn't/won't stood up to support MySQL.

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-04 Thread Tom Buskey
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote: It is a sad situation, but one that happens every once in a while, and particularly when a profit-making company heads up a FOSS project. In 2008 Sun bought MySQL for 1 Billion dollars, 800 million in cash and 200 million

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-04 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Arc Riley arcri...@gmail.com wrote: No, but its a sign of developer interest and activity.  Sqlite and postgres have Py3 support, MySQL does not. That doesn't equal MySQL is stagnant. Perhaps there's simply not much interest in MySQL within the Python

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-04 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 10:57 -0500, Ben Scott wrote: On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Arc Riley arcri...@gmail.com wrote: No, but its a sign of developer interest and activity. Sqlite and postgres have Py3 support, MySQL does not. That doesn't equal MySQL is stagnant. Perhaps there's

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Ted Roche tedro...@tedroche.com wrote: Passing on this email. I'd be interested in your opinions of the issues raised. MySQL is GPL. Oracle can do whatever they want, but the code itself has already been freed (as in freedom). Oracle can't put that genie

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Arc Riley arcri...@gmail.com wrote: We have PostgreSQL, which has a much healthier development community and Py3 support already. Shocking though this may be to some, Python support is not *everyone's* most critical feature. -- Ben

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-01 Thread Arc Riley
No, but its a sign of developer interest and activity. Sqlite and postgres have Py3 support, MySQL does not. On Jan 1, 2010 2:43 PM, Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Arc Riley arcri...@gmail.com wrote: We have PostgreSQL, which h... Shocking though this

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-01 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
It is a sad situation, but one that happens every once in a while, and particularly when a profit-making company heads up a FOSS project. In 2008 Sun bought MySQL for 1 Billion dollars, 800 million in cash and 200 million in options. Someone got a lot of money, and quite a few people probably

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-01 Thread Shawn O'Shea
The feelings on the Oracle acquisition seem quite split in the open source community. Eben Moglen of the Software Freedom Law Center wrote an opinion to the European Commission in favor of the acquisition [1] and Pamela Jones of Groklaw has written a few articles about the merger in support

Re: The MySQL petition

2010-01-01 Thread Lloyd Kvam
On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 11:43 -0500, Arc Riley wrote: We have PostgreSQL, which has a much healthier development community and Py3 support already. The MySQL community is already fractured from the Sun purchase, isn't it a little late to save it? Sun did not do too much harm. MySQL fills a