Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-25 Thread Drew Van Zandt
It actually costs someone far more to follow the advice than the benefit that person should expect to get. *coughairportsecuritycough* --DTVZ On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Ben Eisenbraun b...@klatsch.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 01:01:02PM -0400, Tom Buskey wrote: This is way

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-25 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 03/24/2010 01:48 PM, Benjamin Scott wrote: For now. Right now, the attackers go after Windows, because 90% of the users run Windows. (With a higher percentage of easily-duped users.) Have you heard that the Windows malware game now involves various packages each trying to disable and

another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Greg Rundlett (freephile)
Apparently the ad networks of Fox, Google, and Yahoo have been distributing ads which contain malicious javascript. This means that all you have to do is surf the web to have your system infected with malware... wait, that isn't really new. It's just a sad reminder of how easy it is for regular

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Tom Buskey
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Greg Rundlett (freephile) g...@freephile.com wrote: Apparently the ad networks of Fox, Google, and Yahoo have been distributing ads which contain malicious javascript. This means that all you have to do is surf the web to have your system infected with

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Greg Rundlett (freephile) g...@freephile.com wrote: Of course, you can just run Linux and you're system won't be vulnerable to most if not all such 'scareware'. For now. Right now, the attackers go after Windows, because 90% of the users run Windows. (With

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 3:02 PM, G Rundlett greg.rundl...@gmail.com wrote: So, it seems that you're saying: Don't switch to Linux because even though it will prevent you from getting 99% of the malware out there today, someday it could be targeted and vulnerable. No. What I'm saying is: A

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
I agree with Ben: o yes, right now there are fewer viruses for Linux and Mac o those people that depend on that fact will sooner or later regret that dependency Only constant application of patches, training and diligence will help stave off malware. And most users will not do the first, will

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Derek Atkins
Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 3:02 PM, G Rundlett greg.rundl...@gmail.com wrote: So, it seems that you're saying: Don't switch to Linux because even though it will prevent you from getting 99% of the malware out there today, someday it could be targeted

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Derek, but I think Linux does start as a more secure platform that Windows, so you've already got a leg up. When it comes to security, the only one that has a leg up is that one hacker that is going to break in, and (when you are not looking) is going to piss on you. md

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Derek Atkins
Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org writes: Derek, but I think Linux does start as a more secure platform that Windows, so you've already got a leg up. When it comes to security, the only one that has a leg up is that one hacker that is going to break in, and (when you are not looking) is going

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Derek, You are still missing the point: Given a standard-configuration fully-updated Windows box and compare it to a standard-configuration fully-updated Linux box.. The windows machine has significantly more holes in it during standard use. You only need one hole. md

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Derek Atkins
Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org writes: Derek, You are still missing the point: Given a standard-configuration fully-updated Windows box and compare it to a standard-configuration fully-updated Linux box.. The windows machine has significantly more holes in it during standard use. You only

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Thomas Charron
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Derek Atkins warl...@mit.edu wrote: Given a standard-configuration fully-updated Windows box and compare it to a standard-configuration fully-updated Linux box.. The windows machine has significantly more holes in it during standard use. That is false

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
On Wed, March 24, 2010 5:05 pm, Thomas Charron wrote: Linux is NOT more secure then Windows. People RUNNING Linux are *generally* more security conscious then a person running Windows. I will take partial issue with this. It's my humble and considered opinion that open source is, generally,

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
I'm not missing the point. All holes are not created equal. While I might agree that there are some holes that are larger than others, and some systems where there are more holes than others, I apply the same logic to computer systems that I apply to using a condom to block STDsany size or

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
But... only somewhat: Though a program be but three lines long, someday it will have to be maintained. the realization came over me with full force that a good part of the remainder of my life was going to be spent in finding errors in my own programs. - Maurice Wilkes, head of the EDSAC project,

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
Derek Atkins warl...@mit.edu writes: Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 3:02 PM, G Rundlett greg.rundl...@gmail.com wrote: So, it seems that you're saying: Don't switch to Linux because even though it will prevent you from getting 99% of the malware

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Jeffry Smith
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com wrote:   Linux is NOT more secure then Windows.  People RUNNING Linux are *generally* more security conscious then a person running Windows. -- -- Thomas Apache (OK, not Linux, but illustrative). Back a number of years ago,

Re: another reason to use adblock and noscript... or just use Linux

2010-03-24 Thread Tom Buskey
I've always hated the It's the most widely used, so it's the most widely targeted and most widely compromised argument. Most of the time I see it expoused by clueless journalists and Windows apologists making excuses for all the security issues Windows has had. But, there is a small (small!)