Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro

2013-09-16 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Jason Self ja...@bluehome.net skribis: Ludovic Courtès said: Yes, I understand this, but my question was more about how this occurs technically. My understanding is that Debian-based distros provide the unmodified upstream source, with a debian/patches tree containing patches they apply.

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro

2013-09-16 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Sam Geeraerts sam...@elmundolibre.be skribis: Op Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:01:13 +0200 schreef l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès): My understanding is that Debian-based distros provide the unmodified upstream source, with a debian/patches tree containing patches they apply. Do I get it right? For

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro

2013-09-16 Thread Jason Self
Ludovic Courtès said: I’ve come up with a plan that will allow Guix to behave similarly [0]. Good good. :) I do have another question about how to apply the FSDG guidelines to Guix. Specifically in the Complete Distros section it mentions that if using it requires further work or presupposes

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro

2013-09-16 Thread Karl Berry
Or is being installable alongside a 100% free distro acceptable? Or...? My understanding was always that a distro had to be bootable to be listed. Complete in themselves ..., and self-hosting both seem pretty clear to me. But you, or whomever, could always ask rms if you think there's

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro

2013-09-14 Thread Ludovic Courtès
k...@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) skribis: So, do we want ‘guix build --source’ to return the already-patched, FSDG-compliant source? It should return exactly the sources which actually got built -- which I gather, though I'm not sure, is not necessarily the same as unmodified

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro

2013-09-14 Thread Sam Geeraerts
Op Sat, 14 Sep 2013 15:01:13 +0200 schreef l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès): My understanding is that Debian-based distros provide the unmodified upstream source, with a debian/patches tree containing patches they apply. Do I get it right? For gNewSense we do as follows. If the software

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro

2013-09-14 Thread Jason Self
Ludovic Courtès said: Yes, I understand this, but my question was more about how this occurs technically. My understanding is that Debian-based distros provide the unmodified upstream source, with a debian/patches tree containing patches they apply. Do I get it right? Ah, I see. In the

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro

2013-09-14 Thread Karl Berry
œôòøguix build --sourceœôòù should be changed to return the result of applying that œôòøpatchœôòù phase to the upstream tarball. WDYT? Sounds right. in that it provides the /complete/ build recipe that led to the binaryœôòóœôòücompleteœôòý means that it includes build scripts,

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro

2013-09-12 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Sam Geeraerts sam...@elmundolibre.be skribis: Op Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:05:35 +0200 schreef l...@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès): [...] The distro obviously contains only free software, and it follows the FSF free system distribution guidelines [2]; it is not based on any existing distribution.

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro

2013-09-12 Thread Jason Self
Ludovic Courtès said: I'm reluctant because of the technical and administrative burden it entails I suppose another option is to leave out problematic packages entirely. Otherwise, welcome to the world of being an FSF-endorsed distro. :) Besides, our package meta-data would probably still

[GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro

2013-09-11 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello, The GNU Guix project [0] is about producing (1) a package manager for the GNU system, and (2) a distribution of the GNU system (currently on top of Linux-Libre). We would like the distribution to be officially recognized as an offspring of the fully free distro family. ;-) Part (1) is

Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Recognizing the GNU system as a free distro

2013-09-11 Thread Jason Self
Sam Geeraerts said: Note that some packages may contain non-free files (e.g. [a]), regardless of the license of the whole. There are also freedom issues that are unrelated to the license of the code, e.g. encouraging the use of non-free software [b]. I see that your packaging guidelines