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On 11/18/2014 06:29 PM, John Sullivan wrote:
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> I don't like "prevents use" -- that's also an obstacle, a negative
> sounding thing. How about going back to "ensures" for that part, and
> switching to "guarantees" for the first use of "ensures"?
>
hellekin writes:
> On 11/11/2014 05:22 PM, John Sullivan wrote:
>>>
>>> Good point. Here's their version:
>>>
The GPL (V2 or V3) is a copyleft license that requires anyone who
distributes your code or a derivative work to make the source
available under the same terms. V3 is simila
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On 11/11/2014 05:22 PM, John Sullivan wrote:
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>> Good point. Here's their version:
>>
>>> The GPL (V2 or V3) is a copyleft license that requires anyone who
>>> distributes your code or a derivative work to make the source
>>> available under the sa
Riley Baird writes:
In that case, "permissive" licenses also include restrictions --
but
they are not described as such.
>>>
>>> The choosealicense.com page for the MIT license actually does list
>>> the
>>> requirement to keep a copy of the license and all copyright notices
>>> as
Le 13/10/2014 à 09h34, Riley Baird a écrit :
> On 26/09/14 05:17, Garreau, Alexandre wrote:
>> Le 25/09/2014 à 00h06, Riley Baird a écrit :
To take again your example: someone can probably (it’s an
euphemism) increase your freedom in *so more many ways you can’t
even wonder* alive
On 26/09/14 05:17, Garreau, Alexandre wrote:
> Le 25/09/2014 à 00h06, Riley Baird a écrit :
>>> To take again your example: someone can probably (itâs an euphemism)
>>> increase your freedom in *so more many ways you canât even wonder*
>>> alive than dead. Dead itâs just a pile of flesh, as
On 25/09/14 03:01, hellekin wrote:
> On 09/22/2014 08:53 PM, Riley Baird wrote:
>>> Murder is not a freedom, it's a crime. Freedom amplifies
>>> possibilities, and does not restrict them.
>
>> If freedom is that which amplifies possibilities, but does not
>> restrict them, then why doesn't murder
Le 25/09/2014 à 00h06, Riley Baird a écrit :
>> To take again your example: someone can probably (it’s an euphemism)
>> increase your freedom in *so more many ways you can’t even wonder*
>> alive than dead. Dead it’s just a pile of flesh, as you could obtain
>> killing a simple animal, or even (bio
> Because you have to contextualize it in a social context: when he says
> “amplifies/restrict� freedom, he’s not only speaking about your, but
> anyone’s, the whole society’s, of each individual in it.
Agreed, this is what I was saying before. If we wish to preserve our
individual freed
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On 09/24/2014 02:01 PM, hellekin wrote:
> protected works in a competitive environment prevail. If you look
> closely at the music industry, to take an easy target, the drawers of
> big companies are full of artists waiting to be discovered who, if
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On 09/22/2014 08:53 PM, Riley Baird wrote:
>> Murder is not a freedom, it's a crime. Freedom
>> amplifies possibilities, and does not restrict them.
>
> If freedom is that which amplifies possibilities, but does not restrict
> them, then why doesn'
On 2014-09-23 at 01:53, Riley Baird wrote:
>> Murder is not a freedom, it's a crime. Freedom
>> amplifies possibilities, and does not restrict them.
>
> If freedom is that which amplifies possibilities, but does not restrict
> them, then why doesn't murder fit this description?
>
> If I am able to
> Murder is not a freedom, it's a crime. Freedom
> amplifies possibilities, and does not restrict them.
If freedom is that which amplifies possibilities, but does not restrict
them, then why doesn't murder fit this description?
If I am able to murder someone to use their flesh in cooking, then t
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On 08/20/2014 06:01 AM, Riley Baird wrote:
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> Negative freedom, if not restricted in parts, defeats itself quickly
>
*** Negative freedom defeats itself because it works in an abstract
world that is infinite. Murder is not a freedom, it's a crime.
>>> In that case, "permissive" licenses also include restrictions -- but
>>> they are not described as such.
>>
>> The choosealicense.com page for the MIT license actually does list the
>> requirement to keep a copy of the license and all copyright notices as a
>> restriction.
>
> Yes, it does, us
Riley Baird writes:
>> In that case, "permissive" licenses also include restrictions -- but
>> they are not described as such.
>
> The choosealicense.com page for the MIT license actually does list the
> requirement to keep a copy of the license and all copyright notices as a
> restriction.
Yes,
On 20/08/14 08:05, hellekin wrote:
> On 08/19/2014 06:09 PM, Riley Baird wrote:
>
>> freedom to murder
>
> *** Wait, what? Look, you need to learn about ethics. Specifically,
> you need to understand the difference between positive freedom and
> negative freedom. Software freedom is about posi
> In that case, "permissive" licenses also include restrictions -- but
> they are not described as such.
The choosealicense.com page for the MIT license actually does list the
requirement to keep a copy of the license and all copyright notices as a
restriction.
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On 08/19/2014 06:09 PM, Riley Baird wrote:
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> freedom to murder
>
*** Wait, what? Look, you need to learn about ethics. Specifically,
you need to understand the difference between positive freedom and
negative freedom. Software freedom is about
"ag ag01" writes:
>> The only way I can think of it to consider is a restriction is if
>> Tivoization were considered a
>> legitimate activity to begin with.
>
> Definition of "restrict" from Wiktionary:
> "1. To restrain within bounds; to limit; to confine; as, to restrict worlds
> to a part
> "Jason Self" writes:
>
>> Riley Baird said:
>>> is a restriction
>>
>> The only way I can think of it to consider is a restriction is if
>> Tivoization were considered a legitimate activity to begin with.
>>
>> Framing copyleft as a "restriction" is not a good idea. This goes back
>> to what Joh
"Jason Self" writes:
> Riley Baird said:
>> is a restriction
>
> The only way I can think of it to consider is a restriction is if
> Tivoization were considered a legitimate activity to begin with.
>
> Framing copyleft as a "restriction" is not a good idea. This goes back
> to what John said.
>
>
"Jason Self" writes:
> Riley Baird said:
>> is a restriction
>
> The only way I can think of it to consider is a restriction is if
> Tivoization were considered a legitimate activity to begin with.
>
> Framing copyleft as a "restriction" is not a good idea. This goes back
> to what John said.
>
>
On 20/08/14 06:58, Jason Self wrote:
> Riley Baird said:
>> For someone who hasn't decided whether they care about free software
>> or open source (or both), it would help them to make their mind up
>> without feeling that they are reading propaganda.
>
> Framing copyleft as a restriction is often
Riley Baird said:
> For someone who hasn't decided whether they care about free software
> or open source (or both), it would help them to make their mind up
> without feeling that they are reading propaganda.
Framing copyleft as a restriction is often propaganda used by the
anti-copyleft crowd th
On 19/08/14 21:37, Julian Marchant wrote:
> On 08/19/2014 03:14 AM, Riley Baird wrote:
>> On 19/08/14 07:36, Jason Self wrote: Someone has pointed out that
>> the FSF has a license guide already [1]. However, this guide has
>> a strong bias towards copyleft.
>
>> Personally, I think that the commu
> The only way I can think of it to consider is a restriction is if Tivoization
> were considered a
> legitimate activity to begin with.
Definition of "restrict" from Wiktionary:
"1. To restrain within bounds; to limit; to confine; as, to restrict worlds
to a particular
meaning; to restrict a
Riley Baird said:
> is a restriction
The only way I can think of it to consider is a restriction is if
Tivoization were considered a legitimate activity to begin with.
Framing copyleft as a "restriction" is not a good idea. This goes back
to what John said.
As an example, it's not as if TiVo Inc
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On 08/19/2014 03:14 AM, Riley Baird wrote:
> On 19/08/14 07:36, Jason Self wrote: Someone has pointed out that
> the FSF has a license guide already [1]. However, this guide has a
> strong bias towards copyleft.
>
> Personally, I think that the commun
On 19/08/14 07:36, Jason Self wrote:
> Riley Baird asked:
>> What part of their description is untrue?
>
> One example: Presenting the anti-tivoization provisions in the GPLv3
> as a restriction.
But, like copyleft, it still is a restriction, albeit a good one.
> If you listen to Tom Preston-Wer
Riley Baird asked:
> What part of their description is untrue?
One example: Presenting the anti-tivoization provisions in the GPLv3
as a restriction.
If you listen to Tom Preston-Werner's (GitHub co-founder) anti-GPL
keynote from OSCON his position on the GPL will become clear and
shouldn't be su
> Well, there are a lot of other problems with the license chooser in
> addition to that. It is pretty anti-copyleft. We submitted a patch to
> fix the factual description of the GPL and it was rejected.
What part of their description is untrue? This is all the information I
could find on the GPL
"Riley Baird (Orthogonal)" writes:
> On 05/08/14 12:10, Felipe Sanches wrote:
>> Is there something similar to http://choosealicense.com/ but with language
>> better aligned to the mission of the free software movement ?
>
> I don't know, but personally, I think that a fork over something like
>
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On 08/04/2014 10:10 PM, Felipe Sanches wrote:
> Is there something similar to http://choosealicense.com/ but with
> language better aligned to the mission of the free software
> movement ?
GNU.org has had a better license guide for a long time (I thi
On 05/08/14 12:10, Felipe Sanches wrote:
> Is there something similar to http://choosealicense.com/ but with language
> better aligned to the mission of the free software movement ?
I don't know, but personally, I think that a fork over something like
this would be a bad idea. We don't fork every
Is there something similar to http://choosealicense.com/ but with language
better aligned to the mission of the free software movement ?
happy hacking,
Felipe Sanches
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