Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:12:29 +0100
> Martin Dickopp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>> > On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:37:43 +0100
>> > Martin Dickopp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I find it unconvin
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Can I ask all you guys a question? Can you keep the personal attacks
off the mailinglist/newsgroup/whatever? The copyright debate is at
least interesting, but I don't need my inbox clogged by this flame war
crap.
Thanks!
This message wa
Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:
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> is not a derivative of the standard 'C' library, but that the
> copy that is created at run time in memory is a derivative
> work of both the source code and the standard 'C' library
> (or for Alex, a compilation, but that doesn't matter because
> the same protecti
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David Kastrup wrote:
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> Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > David Kastrup wrote:
> > [...]
> >> When you are reading a mailing list gated to a Usenet group, there is
> >> no way that anybody can answer "to mailing list only".
> >
> > Wanna also be plonked? Don't disappoint me.
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:12:29 +0100
Martin Dickopp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:37:43 +0100
> > Martin Dickopp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> I find it unconvincing to argue that a program is not a derivative
> >> work
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kastrup wrote:
> [...]
>> When you are reading a mailing list gated to a Usenet group, there is
>> no way that anybody can answer "to mailing list only".
>
> Wanna also be plonked? Don't disappoint me.
I'd very much appreciate it. It would a
David Kastrup wrote:
[...]
> When you are reading a mailing list gated to a Usenet group, there is
> no way that anybody can answer "to mailing list only".
Wanna also be plonked? Don't disappoint me.
regards,
alexander.
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Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Alfred M. Szmidt" wrote:
>>
>>Geez. Visit a clinic.
>>
>> Are you this silly that you cannot even produce one message without
>> having to resort to personal attacks?
>>
>>Yes, you're reading a mailing list. I'm reading and replying on
>
"Alfred M. Szmidt" wrote:
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>Reply to mailing list *only*
>
> No, I won't treat you any differently then anyone else on this list.
Plonk.
regards,
alexander.
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David Kastrup wrote:
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> You are confusing fair use with redistribution.
http://digital-law-online.info/lpdi1.0/treatise-toc.html
Hth.
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No, I won't treat you any differently then anyone else on this list.
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Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Martin Dickopp wrote:
> [...]
>> > Combined as in what? Can you print two different stories (bought
>> > electronically) on the same sheet of paper (to form a combined
>> > printout) or not?
>>
>> Since I never claimed that a combination of two wor
"Alfred M. Szmidt" wrote:
>
>Geez. Visit a clinic.
>
> Are you this silly that you cannot even produce one message without
> having to resort to personal attacks?
>
>Yes, you're reading a mailing list. I'm reading and replying on
>newsgroup.
>
> And I'm replying to a mailing list.
Martin Dickopp wrote:
[...]
> > Combined as in what? Can you print two different stories (bought
> > electronically) on the same sheet of paper (to form a combined
> > printout) or not?
>
> Since I never claimed that a combination of two works is /always/ a
> derivative of one or both original wo
My questions were meant to highlight absurdity in your org's line of
reasoning, genius.
If you cannot be polite, don't speak. The only absurd claims here are
yours since you do not have any basis for them. So please stop, go
smell some flowers.
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Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> it went for EURO 6.50 on ebay a couple of weeks ago.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7133325141
A few years ago, I crossed a street at a red traffic light. Nothing
happend; I wasn't punished in any way. Therefore, it is now cl
Geez. Visit a clinic.
Are you this silly that you cannot even produce one message without
having to resort to personal attacks?
Yes, you're reading a mailing list. I'm reading and replying on
newsgroup.
And I'm replying to a mailing list.
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Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kastrup wrote:
> [...]
>> > Combined as in what? Can you print two different stories (bought
>> > electronically) on the same sheet of paper (to form a combined
>> > printout) or not?
>>
>> That certainly falls under fair use _unless_ you cho
Sorry, I cannot understand what you wish to ask. The Hurd is a set of
libraries, but licensed under the GPL. So the same rules apply as to
any GPLed library.
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Please stop spreading lies. Just because you are incapable of
understanding copyright law doesn't mean that you have to spread lies
about it.
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David Kastrup wrote:
[...]
> > Combined as in what? Can you print two different stories (bought
> > electronically) on the same sheet of paper (to form a combined
> > printout) or not?
>
> That certainly falls under fair use _unless_ you choose to
> redistribute them again. For that you need a l
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Martin Dickopp wrote:
>
>> If the works of A and B are combined to form a derivative work by an
>> entity C, and the act of
>
> Combined as in what? Can you print two different stories (bought
> electronically) on the same sheet of paper (to form a
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Martin Dickopp wrote:
> [...]
>> I have no idea what you're aiming at.
>
> I'm not surprised.
Since it becomes subsequently clear that you have no idea what you are
aiming at either, hardly a surprise.
>> If the works of A and B are combined to f
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Martin Dickopp wrote:
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> I have no idea what you're aiming at.
I'm not surprised.
>If the works of A and B are
> combined to form a derivative work by an entity C, and the act of
Combined as in what? Can you print two different stories (bought
elect
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Suppose that preexisting material (both program and library) is in
> public domain by the time the program is run. So once again, who gets
> the copyright on that "derivative work" and what expression (as in
> literary works modulo AFC test) does
Martin Dickopp wrote: ...
Suppose that preexisting material (both program and library) is in
public domain by the time the program is run. So once again, who gets
the copyright on that "derivative work" and what expression (as in
literary works modulo AFC test) does it protect in that "derivat
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> And what creative undertaking in the creation (the moment the program
> is run) of that "derivative work" can be attributed to the copyright
> holders of the program and/or the library?
The creativity that was exercised in the creation of the progr
David Kastrup wrote:
[...]
> Suppose the Earth consists of constaneously combusting pink
> cheese...
Okay. And your question is?
> and _you_, of all people, call others "stupid" frequently.
My questions were meant to highlight absurdity in your org's line of
reasoning, genius.
reg
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Martin Dickopp wrote:
>>
>> Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > Martin Dickopp wrote:
>> > [...]
>> >> a derivative work of the program and a particular C library is
>> >> created the moment the program is run
>> >
>> > And who
Martin Dickopp wrote:
>
> Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Martin Dickopp wrote:
> > [...]
> >> a derivative work of the program and a particular C library is
> >> created the moment the program is run
> >
> > And who gets the copyright on that "derivative work"?
>
> The cop
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Martin Dickopp wrote:
> [...]
>> a derivative work of the program and a particular C library is
>> created the moment the program is run
>
> And who gets the copyright on that "derivative work"?
The copyright holders of the program and the librar
Alexander Terekhov wrote:
>
> "Wahaj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [... "single program" ...]
>
> Ignore it. This term has now meaning in the context of the GPL and
^^^
Sorry, "no", not "now". Meaningless term.
> copyright law. It is just yet another example of FS
"Wahaj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[... "single program" ...]
Ignore it. This term has now meaning in the context of the GPL and
copyright law. It is just yet another example of FSF's "mirrors and
smoke" bluffing technique.
regards,
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Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> As I said earlier in this thread, it is _not_ a matter of law, but of
> morality. It is abundantly clear that the FSF considers any form of
> linking to a library as preparation of a derivative work, and as such,
> we all should simply honour the wis
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> People are generously dealing in advice here even where the case law
> indicates that in reality things are much less clearcut than they want
> to make believe. And that is simply reckless when giving advice.
To clarify, my aim here is to discuss quest
Martin Dickopp wrote:
[...]
> a derivative work of the program and a particular C library is
> created the moment the program is run
And who gets the copyright on that "derivative work"? And what
new protected elements does it cover?
regards,
alexander.
Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:37:43 +0100
> Martin Dickopp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I find it unconvincing to argue that a program is not a derivative
>> work of a dynamic library just because this case is not properly
>> covered by a non-limitative
Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:59:23 +0100
> David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > Tell me to respect the wishes of the author, and I'm all with you,
>> > even if these wishes seem - at first sig
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 01:14:51 -0500
"Alfred M. Szmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You wanna write an app for our OS? Ask our permission first. Thank
> > you.
>
> If you license your code under a Free Software license, then you
> recived that permission[0]. The FSF doesn't care for people who
"Alfred M. Szmidt" wrote:
>
>Stop bombarding my mailbox, stupid.
>
> You are reading a mailing list
Geez. Visit a clinic. Yes, you're reading a mailing list. I'm reading
and replying on newsgroup.
regards,
alexander.
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"Alfred M. Szmidt" wrote:
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> [0]: Many projects, specially system parts of GNU, have special
> clauses or use the Lesser GPL to allow mixing with non-free software.
Tell me how does that work. Say on hurd (which doesn't have Linus'
"exception" to the GPL'd kernel). On what basis are all thos
Hi All,
Well it has been a short time that I have started
understanding GPL. Some of the things are getting clearer now.
My original comment was:
1) We can create an exe of the GPLed
API and call it from a properietary application. The exe gets the parameters
performs its tasks and the
Stop bombarding my mailbox, stupid.
You are reading a mailing list, expect to get mail in your mailbox.
One more time and I'll plonk you in my newsreader as well.
Feel free to plonk me all you want for your own ignorance, I don't
mind. Maybe it will help you understand that you are readin
"Alfred M. Szmidt" wrote:
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^^^
Stop bombarding my mailbox, stupid. One more time and I'll plonk you
in my newsreader as well.
regards,
a
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