Re: Wallace's reply brief

2006-08-02 Thread Ferd Burfel
"Ferd Burfel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "Alexander Terekhov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Ferd Burfel wrote: > > Something like the way no third-party can avoid being bound by the terms > of the GPL in order to receive

Re: Wallace's reply brief

2006-08-02 Thread Ferd Burfel
"Alexander Terekhov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Ferd Burfel wrote: > [...] >> A contract indeed can not bind a "non-party", but a "third-party" does >> NOT >> always equal "non-party". While a "third-party" that does not accept the >> terms of the license (o

Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread Michael Bubb
Ditto. I subscribe to this list because licensing issues in general are intersting to me. And because I end up using a fair amount of fsf software on a daily basis (gcc, emacs, etc). I am by no means a 'diehard' fsf member. Alexander, you dont help to educate me on these matters. I gain nothing f

Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread Keith Thompson
Stephan Kuhagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello Alexander >> Linking is irrelevant. > > But my sympathy for the GPL is relevant. Also relevant is that I'm going to > use GPL-code from other people in my modules. > > I understand, that you do not like the GPL and I have no problem with that. > B

Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread Stephan Kuhagen
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > If his mother was GPLed, then he and his sister are also GPLed. Hm. I really like that idea. My genetic code would be a good starting point for other programmers to learn how to avoid some common mistakes. Sadly I can't ask my mother for the copyright, since her process

Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread David Kastrup
"Alfred M. Szmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> But do not misunderstand me, I would appreciate your advice, if >> you can give useful answers to my questions. > >GPL your wife and kinds as well. > > I suspect that the OP doesn't hold the copyright on his wife. But > if the OP is in

Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread Stephan Kuhagen
Dear Alexander > GPL your wife and kinds as well. Then invite RMS to deliver a speech > to your Institute/Company' BETRIEBSHAUPTVERSAMMLUNG or some such. Book > a Hilton (or some such) for him -- he likes good food. Since you continue to give unuseful comments and start getting personal, I will t

Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> But do not misunderstand me, I would appreciate your advice, if > you can give useful answers to my questions. GPL your wife and kinds as well. I suspect that the OP doesn't hold the copyright on his wife. But if the OP is indeed the GPL, the OP cannot copulate with his wife unless sh

Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread Alexander Terekhov
"Alfred M. Szmidt" wrote: [...] > If his mother was GPLed, then he and his sister are also GPLed. I gather that your dad GPL'd your mom. Hey ams, do you have a sister? :-) regards, alexander. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org h

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Comment 1549: Acceptance is a dangerous concept

2006-08-02 Thread Alexander Terekhov
-- Comment 1549: Acceptance is a dangerous concept This Comment is resolved by: This Comment is part of the discussion on: Regarding the text: if you do not accept this License. In section: gpl3.notacontract.p0.s4 Submitted by: sepreece on 2006-08-01 at 23:49 EDT 0 agree: noted by sepreece on

Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Stephan Kuhagen wrote: [...] > But do not misunderstand me, I would appreciate your advice, if you can give > useful answers to my questions. GPL your wife and kinds as well. Then invite RMS to deliver a speech to your Institute/Company' BETRIEBSHAUPTVERSAMMLUNG or some such. Book a Hilton (or

Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Also relevant is that I'm going to use GPL-code from other people in my modules. The following will be relevant to you: | 2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any | portion of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and | copy and distribute such modific

Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
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Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> Uh, you forgot that he liked the GPL and its provisions. Then he should GPL his sister and mom. And then http://www.fsf.org/donate. If his mother was GPLed, then he and his sister are also GPLed. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-d

Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread Stephan Kuhagen
Hello Alexander > Linking is irrelevant. But my sympathy for the GPL is relevant. Also relevant is that I'm going to use GPL-code from other people in my modules. I understand, that you do not like the GPL and I have no problem with that. But your postings are not helpful and are not answers to

Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] > Uh, you forgot that he liked the GPL and its provisions. Then he should GPL his sister and mom. And then http://www.fsf.org/donate. [...] > A chance that the legal departments of Microsoft, IBM and a few other > large players with deep pockets have happily passed on,

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Comment 1548

2006-08-02 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > He he. > > The GPL undoes everything... starting from laws and ending with > hardware... in the GNU Republic, that is. It certainly managed to undo your sanity, but hardly through a fault of its own. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 447

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Comment 1548

2006-08-02 Thread Alexander Terekhov
It's about recent draft 2. --- Comment 1548: how does "privately" bind? Regarding the text: run privately modified In section: gpl3.basicperms.p1.s1 Submitted by: sepreece on 2006-08-01 at 19:42 EDT 1 agree: crosbie noted by sepreece on 2006-08-01 at 19:42 EDT: Does this phrase mean "run

Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Stephan Kuhagen wrote: > [...] >> More important than that is, that at least some of my modules will >> use other GPLed Libraries and Programs, so those modules have to be >> GPL anyway. > > Linking is irrelevant. If your modules are not derivativ

Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Stephan Kuhagen wrote: [...] > More important than that is, that at least some of my modules will > use other GPLed Libraries and Programs, so those modules have to be > GPL anyway. Linking is irrelevant. If your modules are not derivative works of "GPLed Libraries and Programs" (seek the advi

Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread Stephan Kuhagen
Hello Alexander > Stay away from the [L]GPL (aka All Your Base Are Belong To GNU) and > stick to something non-idiotic like the CPL or (its derivative with > minor modification regarding patent retaliation) EPL. Thanks for your fast reply. But your suggestion is not a good option for me. First

Re: Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Stay away from the [L]GPL (aka All Your Base Are Belong To GNU) and stick to something non-idiotic like the CPL or (its derivative with minor modification regarding patent retaliation) EPL. http://www.eclipse.org/legal/eplfaq.php 21. If I write a module to add to a Program licensed under t

Is it possible to write GPL-Modules for closed-source Software?

2006-08-02 Thread Stephan Kuhagen
Hello Subject says it all... I'm working for an Institute/Company which does scientific and medical imaging software. We have some OpenSource-Addicts in the house (with me as the most addicted...) and try to bring at least some of our software to the OpenSource-World. Now there is our "Premium"-So

Re: Wallace's reply brief

2006-08-02 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: > > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > David Kastrup writes: > >> Well, the theory is that once you touch GPLed work, it jumps up and > >> magically gobbles up all of your portfolio. > > > > That describes SCO's interpretation of the SysV source licence. > > Well

Re: Wallace's reply brief

2006-08-02 Thread David Kastrup
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Kastrup writes: >> Well, the theory is that once you touch GPLed work, it jumps up and >> magically gobbles up all of your portfolio. > > That describes SCO's interpretation of the SysV source licence. Well, it is hard to say just _what_ is supposed

Re: Wallace's reply brief

2006-08-02 Thread John Hasler
David Kastrup writes: > Well, the theory is that once you touch GPLed work, it jumps up and > magically gobbles up all of your portfolio. That describes SCO's interpretation of the SysV source licence. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI USA __

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- "catch-22"

2006-08-02 Thread Alexander Terekhov
-- DRM "Misunderstood" Authored by: OrlandoNative on Tuesday, August 01 2006 @ 05:00 PM EDT Actually, PJ, your *right* to modify your software (assuming you have the capability to do so, or the inclination) is not affected in *any* way. You can still do that to your heart's content. What *is*

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2006-08-02 Thread Alexander Terekhov
What does online security have to do with it? Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 01 2006 @ 10:16 PM EDT Er..."online security" has nothing to do with the discussion, that's what firewalls are for :-) The conflict boils down to "can I force YOU to run MY binary to access MY online s

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- "be careful what you ask for...you may just get it."

2006-08-02 Thread Alexander Terekhov
--- The answer is "YES" Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, August 02 2006 @ 05:25 AM EDT The fundamental philosophical question is "Should a gadget designer be allowed to use GPL code and forbid the users of this gadget to run modified code on their gadgets?" Your philisophical questio

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- PJ and Casino machines

2006-08-02 Thread Alexander Terekhov
--- Authored by: bloggsie on Wednesday, August 02 2006 @ 05:27 AM EDT PJ: Please consider for one moment this situation. You are running an organization which collects sensitive data from a large network of many thousands of machines. They are set up to deliver the numbers, in a very timely fas

Re: Wallace's reply brief

2006-08-02 Thread David Kastrup
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A small correction... > > Qua, 2006-08-02 às 09:32 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra escreveu: >> Qua, 2006-08-02 às 09:41 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: >> > (consider that over time, under "bazaar model" with long chain of >> > derivation

Re: Wallace's reply brief

2006-08-02 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
A small correction... Qua, 2006-08-02 às 09:32 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra escreveu: > Qua, 2006-08-02 às 09:41 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: > > (consider that over time, under "bazaar model" with long chain of > > derivation in derivative works and additions to collective works by > >

Re: Wallace's reply brief

2006-08-02 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Qua, 2006-08-02 às 09:41 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: > (consider that over time, under "bazaar model" with long chain of > derivation in derivative works and additions to collective works by > different authors, GPL'd IP becomes practically locked within the GPL > pool) Funny. Correcti

Re: Wallace's reply brief

2006-08-02 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Ferd Burfel wrote: [...] > A contract indeed can not bind a "non-party", but a "third-party" does NOT > always equal "non-party". While a "third-party" that does not accept the > terms of the license (or is not even aware of it) would be a "non-party", a > "third-party" that DOES accept the licen