Re: Problem with GPLv3 FAQ about linking with Visual C++

2010-02-02 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Dear Antonis, Beware the trolls on this list... Rui Em 02-02-2010 06:52, Antonis Christofides escreveu: On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:07:42 -0500 Hyman Rosenhyro...@mail.com wrote: Is dynamically linking my program with the Visual C++ (or Visual Basic) run-time library permitted under the GPL?

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

2009-03-30 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 01:15:36PM -0400, Rjack wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 09:27:34AM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: ok, how do you propose to protect legitimate users from the constant harassing of either crazy

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

2009-03-30 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 04:29:29PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Any particular reason you say that? I just can't believe a crazy person would be able to so relentelessly bother people in such elaborate ways for such a long time. You've never been to school? In pretty much every larger

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

2009-03-29 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 09:27:34AM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:46:40PM -0400, Hyman Rosen wrote: You know, There's only so much skill fine tuning you can do when you fight dolls. Rjack, Therekov, amicus

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

2009-03-27 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:46:40PM -0400, Hyman Rosen wrote: Rjack wrote: The authors are relenquishing their rights within contractual privity a concept which I know totally evades your understanding. Wikipedia to the rescue! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privity The doctrine of

Re: Eric Raymond: We don't need the GPL

2009-03-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 06:37:18AM -0400, Rjack wrote: The question I found myself asking is: if the market punished people for taking opensource closed, then why do our licenses need to punish people for taking open sourceclosed? That is why I don't think you really need GPL or a reciprocal

Re: TomTom to contest Microsoft patent lawsuit ..

2009-03-02 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 11:47:50AM +, Doug Mentohl wrote: amicus_curious wrote: In Microsoft's case against Tom-Tom, there are a bunch of patents that don't have anything to do with Linux involved as well as the FAT filename patents .. Get real, the Linux kernel supports FAT. What

Re: Freedom. . . NOT

2008-09-16 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 09:31:54AM -0400, Hyman Rosen wrote: Rjack wrote: Forced sharing through copyright misuse is illegal theft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors

Re: Catch this post?

2008-09-11 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 04:00:57PM -0500, Rjack wrote: You should swear less, listen more and take your meds Salty. One of Ransom's favorite ploys is to join a group with more than pseudonomous account and play good cop - bad cop. Tim Ransom, Onelinepostguy, spoojraxlrod, mosnar, Reverend

Re: Open source licenses upheld

2008-08-14 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 09:31:28AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: I'm looking forward to the day when Mr. Terekhov declares SCOTUS a pack of drunkards. We'll get there... just you wait... Rui -- All Hail Discordia! Today is Sweetmorn, the 7th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how

Re: William Patry Copyright Blog

2008-08-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 08:12:41PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Hyman Rosen wrote: rjack wrote: http://williampatry.blogspot.com/ Apropos of nothing, [begin quote] On top of this there are the crazies, whom it is impossible to reason with, who do not have a life of

Re: devoted freetard's thought, remembered

2008-08-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 11:16:25PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [...] I distinctly remeber having thought of you, Lex, when I first read that Care to share that thought (in details), mini-RMS? Full details: looks like Alexander Terekhov must've bugged

Re: Software Fictional Licensing Center (SFLC) Files Another Roundof GPL Violation Lawsuits

2008-06-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 08:09:42AM -0400, rjack wrote: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2008/06/verizon-ceo-doesnt-know-about.html In December of 2007 the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC) filed its GPL lawsuit, which was settled in March of this year. The win was hailed as a victory for

Re: Software Fictional Licensing Center (SFLC) Files Another Round of GPL Violation Lawsuits

2008-06-11 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 01:20:02PM -0400, rjack wrote: I have have never found any *verifiable* detail of *any* settlement of these lawsuits other than the court records available on PACER. You couldn't find any verifiable detail that you're an idiot even if you inserted your own head up your

Re: Software Fictional Licensing Center (SFLC) Files Another Roundof GPL Violation Lawsuits

2008-06-11 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:33:07PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Copyright does not require register at U.S. Copyright Office. Hey mini-me RMS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-Me) you stupid, the rules of enforcement regarding US

Re: How do Free software developers get money?

2008-02-04 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sun, Feb 03, 2008 at 02:15:06PM -0800, mike3 wrote: On Feb 3, 3:03 pm, Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:    Yes, I want the questions taken seriously, since I want a real and    understandable answer so I can put the questions to bed, I

Re: Is it a goal of the Free software movement to destroy easy sources of income?

2008-01-17 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 03:05:04PM -0800, mike3 wrote: QUOTE: Stallman does not care about business. But others do. Open Source has been one way to sell corporations their own downfall in a veiled manner. It has taken a brutal but effective toll on stock market and the corporations. Free

Re: What OS is used By Richard Stallman

2008-01-03 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 09:19:12AM -0500, rjack wrote: Stallman could never get an F.S.F. operating system to work properly. He tried to steal the Linux name as GNU/Linux but he never succeeded. This is a lie, Stallman *never* even *remotely* tried to rename the piece of software that can be

Re: GNU/Linux Naming

2007-12-08 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 12:21:07PM -0800, mike3 wrote: Hmm, so does this mean that the reason why GNU deserves credit in the _name_ and not somewhere else is because GNU's contribution is so significant -- they pretty much built most of the rest of the system? One thing doesn't exclude the

Re: GNU/Linux Naming

2007-12-07 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 10:35:41AM +0100, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [...] No, Linux is a kernel, you can get all of it in a single tar ball at http://www.kernel.org/ ... you know, neat packages called linux-VERSION.tar.bz2 (for instance). Have you ever

Re: GNU/Linux Naming

2007-12-06 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 08:17:31PM -0800, Keith Thompson wrote: Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do not see the reason why GNU/Linux should be preferred over just Linux to refer to the system. [...] What's the reason, anyway? The reason is that Linux is not a

Re: SFLC files 2nd intimidation suit

2007-11-21 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 10:58:32PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: wh troll cluster-fuck! Just let them rejoice for a few minutes before reality sets in ;) Rui -- This statement is false. Today is Setting Orange, the 33rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3173 + No matter how much you do,

Re: GOOG's Android gambit

2007-11-15 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 10:52:22AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: It is worth _nothing_ that Sun has never made available a public list of the IP they own and that you need to license in order to legally be able to run Java... For once he's got something right

Re: GOOG's Android gambit

2007-11-15 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 03:45:32PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: It is worth _nothing_ that Sun has never made available a public list of the IP they own and that you need to license in order to legally be able to run Java... I wrote: For once he's got something

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- FSF: A Quick Guide to GPLv3

2007-11-10 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 01:04:06PM -0500, James White wrote: Nobody should be able to stop you from writing any code that want, ***and GPLv3 protects this right for you***. When were the GPL folks given the right to write and establish what IS the LAW? Well, if you contest it you must thing

Re: The death of the GPL and Free Software

2007-11-07 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 06:41:34AM -0500, rjack wrote: Google just announced the end of the GPL and the Free Software Foundation's viral FUD. http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=428 I wonder what Eben Moglen thinks now that the excellent Apache 2.0 license was chosen by Google to end the

Re: Understanding GPL

2007-11-01 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 09:44:03PM -, sam wrote: kiosk, but not the source code to the server. The kiosk going to be such that I could see others developing client/server kiosks using the same kiosk software but a totally different engine, thus I do believe I am violating the spirit of

Re: Monsoon settles: complies with GPL, pays undisclosed sum

2007-10-31 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 07:47:44PM -0400, rjack wrote: Geza Giedke wrote: The case of GPL-violation by Monsoon Multimedia that was discussed here recently has been settled out of court. The SFLC is using threats of copyright infringement prosecution under the GPL as a tactical matter to

Re: GPL question

2007-10-24 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 12:29:40PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: ROFL. Hey dak, you know that your theory of user linking (when there is no library with compatible interface) creating acting as your agent liability is utter nonsense and only totally lobotomized GNUtians take it

Re: GPL question

2007-10-24 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:44:05PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 12:29:40PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: ROFL. Hey dak, you know that your theory of user linking (when there is no library with compatible interface) creating acting as your agent liability

Re: Help to pick a license for my free source code project

2007-10-17 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 03:11:48PM -0700, mike3 wrote: (Explanation: I do not like to judge people's intent. He could simply be misguided. Liar implies deliberate intent to decieve, and since I am not him, and you are not him, neither of us are capable of making that judgment. Only he knows

Re: Help to pick a license for my free source code project

2007-10-17 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 03:17:43PM -0700, mike3 wrote: On Oct 16, 4:50 am, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Many people do, but usually more in useful collections of software :) and not so much about a particular tool (think distributions). Then, those that receive

Re: License info request

2007-10-17 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
That's covered in the GPL FAQ. 1. Goto http://www.google.com/ 2. type in the search field: gpl faq 3. press the I'm Feeling Lucky button Rui On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 04:31:50PM +0300, Keith Willis wrote: Hi, I am in the process of putting together a source code package for a library we

Re: Help to pick a license for my free source code project

2007-10-17 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Once again you manipulate and confuse meaning and law with the intent to create a lie that suits your purpose. On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 01:37:33PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [...] I'd want to ask a question here. How does the entity paying

Re: GPL question

2007-10-17 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 08:04:49AM -0400, rjack wrote: Rjack is a troll. There is no point in trying to make sense of what he writes. Rjack is neither a troll nor a lawyer. Rjack relies on the text of published United States statutes and federal court case law for his personal

Re: Help to pick a license for my free source code project

2007-10-16 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 01:56:10AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This item is not very important. If it's not important that it is Free Software, then go fetch legal advice. This is a group about Free Software. If the license forces the user to distribute the source code with the program,

Re: Help to pick a license for my free source code project

2007-10-16 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 03:20:35AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If some one compiles the monitor tool without any change and sells it for money, I think it's a little bit unfair to me. However, if the license forces the user distributes the tool's source code beside that tool, I think

Re: RMS transcript for all the GNU fans

2007-10-16 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
mentions TerraMetrics, but that could perfectly well be $owner_name =~ /.*/ :) Rui On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 01:01:22PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 08:17:46PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: DiBona of Google (Open

Re: Help to pick a license for my free source code project

2007-10-16 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 12:17:52PM -0400, rjack wrote: No contract ever binds anyone unless you accept it -- that's a tautology. Since licenses aren't contracts, there's nothing for you to see here. Even if it was considered a contract, and since not signed not valid, then effectively

Re: Help to pick a license for my free source code project

2007-10-16 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
+0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: I don't know who added that, but I will inquire and ask for a change. Rui On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 07:37:31PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 12:17:52PM -0400, rjack wrote: No contract

Re: Help to pick a license for my free source code project

2007-10-15 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 07:33:56PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: This may seem a contrived example It is a contrived example probably because it requires a series of events that are highly unlikely to be common, specially with certain people in common. If a certain intentional pattern is

Re: RMS transcript for all the GNU fans

2007-10-15 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 08:17:46PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: DiBona of Google (Open Source Programs Manager): issue is that Richard wants the imagery that we ourselves do not own http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:14528 This makes no sense, DiBona is not being clear

Re: GPL question

2007-10-14 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
What other word is there for it? Reciprocal? If you chose to receive an offer with strings attached that say you must be reciprocal, then you must be reciprocal. Otherwise, shun the offer. Rui -- You are what you see. Today is Boomtime, the 68th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3173 + No

Re: GPL question

2007-10-13 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Oct 13, 2007 at 10:34:36AM +0200, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: On Oct 12, 9:37 am, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 06:03:03AM -0700, Mike Cox wrote: I am still confused. Does mere linking make the result realy *contain* code from

Re: GPL question

2007-10-12 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 06:03:03AM -0700, Mike Cox wrote: I am still confused. Does mere linking make the result realy *contain* code from a GPL program? Most rational people consider it so, but you seem to want legal advice so I hope you follow the sane reasoning of taking the license to a

Re: License that converts to GPL after a specified amount of time

2007-10-09 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 07:34:09AM +, Kenneth P. Turvey wrote: I'm looking for examples of software licenses that allow the end user to redistribute copies under the GPL after a specified amount of time has passed. I think that Ghostscript used to be licensed like this, but I can't seem

Re: SFLC chooses wrong court

2007-09-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 01:38:58PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: were widely touted as proof of its efficacy. One of these days someone who is anti-GPL will find it advantageous enough to finally swat that annoyance. You mean, like Daniel anti-GPL lunatic Wallace? Rui -- You are what

Re: SFLC chooses wrong court

2007-09-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 11:37:23AM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2007/sep/20/busybox/complaint.pdf The complaint argues that Monsoon *lost* the rights to BusyBox code the moment it shipped object code without offering the source code also. The

Re: SFLC chooses wrong court

2007-09-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 10:10:30AM -0400, rjack wrote: Urban legends often suffer a slow, lingering death. Lunatics with dual personality who poison interesting lists like the rjack/Therekov robots (they even have the same writing style!) often linger until the list they poison is dead. Rui --

Re: SFLC chooses wrong court

2007-09-23 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 03:59:31PM -0400, rjack wrote: The SFLC is using threats of copyright infringement prosecution under the GPL as a tactical matter to force Monsoon Multimedia to comply with a contractual covenant.The SFLC will never allow a federal court to examine the GPL on its

Re: FSF successful blather

2007-06-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Ter, 2007-06-19 às 07:37 -0500, rjack escreveu: When Joomla's Core Team announced its intentions to begin strict enforcement of the GNU General Public License, software developers who sell extensions started getting very worried. The problem in a nutshell: adding a plug-in or extension to a

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Pick Your Open Source Poison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3

2007-06-11 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Seg, 2007-06-11 às 17:31 +, sourceview escreveu: I must take exception to your initial ideological statement (assumption of fact not proven) which states that most open source software is gpled. I wholeheartedly disagree, and if we were to use precise quantitative terms, the figure would

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- InformationWeek: Pick Your Open Source Poison: Microsoft's Patent Claims Or GPLv3

2007-06-11 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Seg, 2007-06-11 às 10:37 -0500, rjack escreveu: Using anything beside a Free Software Foundation approved license is the the equivalent of clubbing innocent baby seals. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070611082734557 Hah, how quickly you transform Microsoft clubbing the Free

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Linspire: GPLv3 - Unforseen Consequences?

2007-06-06 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Qua, 2007-06-06 às 18:50 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: More from Carmony: http://forum.freespire.org/showpost.php?p=63026postcount=35 -- We have customers who have switched from Linspire to Novell because Novell offers patent protection with Microsoft. The FSF has been

Re: Did I finally figure out the rationale?

2007-06-02 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Qui, 2007-05-31 às 12:16 -0700, mike3 escreveu: For some years Microsoft's EULA removes your right to privacy. It also explicitly allows Microsoft to inspect your premises for compliance, as well as administrate your machines. So then how is it just a copyright license, if you are

Re: Did I finally figure out the rationale?

2007-06-02 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Qua, 2007-05-30 às 20:35 -0700, mike3 escreveu: Can anyone tell a single right MS-EULA grants under copyright law which YOU DON'T ALREADY HAVE? I can't see any... And therefore it's NOT a copyright license but a dumb contract that only creates MORE restrictions. It's a copyright

Re: Did I finally figure out the rationale?

2007-05-29 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Ter, 2007-05-29 às 10:15 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [...] Contracts fall into contract law. Copyright licenses fall into copyright law. Repeating Moglen's idiocy doesn't make it less idiocy. Copyright law establishes property rights. Licensing

Re: Did I finally figure out the rationale?

2007-05-29 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Ter, 2007-05-29 às 12:45 -0500, John Hasler escreveu: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra writes: Then you eventually buy your copyright license by buying a legitimate copy (a book, a CD, etc...). In the US no license is needed to buy, own, or use a legitimate copy of a book, CD, etc. Copyright law

Re: Did I finally figure out the rationale?

2007-05-29 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
want to make copies beyond those permitted by law. Rui Miguel Silva Seabra writes: Hello? Buying the book is precisely your license to that copy Possession or sale of copies (copies are tangible objects) is not among the exclusive rights of the copyright owner in the US. Therefor copyright

Re: Did I finally figure out the rationale?

2007-05-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Dom, 2007-05-27 às 14:56 -0500, John Hasler escreveu: be described as a copyright license. In fact, most copyright licenses --those between authors and publishers for example-- are contracts as well. No, there are contracts where authors assign or even sell (in some jurisdictions) their

Re: Did I finally figure out the rationale?

2007-05-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Seg, 2007-05-28 às 12:05 -0700, mike3 escreveu: Any response? Please respond, I'd really like to know if I've finally gotten this understood. I already said in another email that I think you're starting to get it. However, the way you write is so convoluted that it is hard for me to

Re: Did I finally figure out the rationale?

2007-05-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Dom, 2007-05-27 às 11:54 -0700, mike3 escreveu: On May 27, 4:09 am, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 18:44 -0500, John Hasler escreveu: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra writes: No, the license is not a contract, it is a Copyright License. He means

Re: Did I finally figure out the rationale?

2007-05-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Seg, 2007-05-28 às 12:00 -0700, mike3 escreveu: On May 27, 1:56 pm, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mike3 writes: But then when does [the Microsoft EULA] become a contract? But I thought the license was too restrictive. Is that just because it does not _grant_ as many rights as,

Re: Did I finally figure out the rationale?

2007-05-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Seg, 2007-05-28 às 12:04 -0700, mike3 escreveu: And therefore the GPL is more of a copyright license, whereas the MS- EULA is more of a contract -- since the MS-EULA _takes away_ rights one would otherwise have, whereas the GPL _grants_ rights one would otherwise _not_ have. Why... I argue

Re: Did I finally figure out the rationale?

2007-05-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Seg, 2007-05-28 às 14:43 -0500, John Hasler escreveu: mike3 writes: So then Microsoft's agreement is not a good one. That's up to the parties, isn't it? I certainly would not agree to it but others are free to do as they please. What is the freedom (wot?) of others to choose their slaver

Re: Did I finally figure out the rationale?

2007-05-27 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 17:22 -0700, mike3 escreveu: On May 26, 5:30 pm, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better yet... Those transcripts usually come from the recordings. Hear them. Is that so hard? They are long and I can't seem to find a direct, straight to the point

Re: Did I finally figure out the rationale?

2007-05-27 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 18:44 -0500, John Hasler escreveu: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra writes: No, the license is not a contract, it is a Copyright License. He means the Microsoft EULA, and yes, it is a contract and not a copyright license. In order to be a copyright license it would have to yield

Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Your credibility was ruined long ago, and is only gone even deeper by faking your email in order to get spam-bots onto my mail server. STOP FAKING YOUR FROM ADDRESS You DO NOT come from com.1407.org Rui -- + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be

Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 12:07 +0200, David Kastrup escreveu: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your credibility was ruined long ago, and is only gone even deeper by faking your email in order to get spam-bots onto my mail server. STOP FAKING YOUR FROM ADDRESS You DO

Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 18:24 +0200, David Kastrup escreveu: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 12:07 +0200, David Kastrup escreveu: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your credibility was ruined long ago, and is only gone even deeper

Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 18:40 +0200, Alfred M. Szmidt escreveu: David is correct, it is your setup that is b0rked. Here is the full message with header and all. You can even look at ftp://lists.gnu.org and see how it is handled for the mailing lists. Explain how come my MTA *rejects* [EMAIL

Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 11:27 -0500, John Hasler escreveu: I see From: rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] reading via Usenet. If I was receiving the mailing list I would see From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] but I would not be disturbed because I know how my email software works. My MTA rejects [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Eben Moglen predicts broad embrace of GPL 3

2007-05-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 20:59 +0200, David Kastrup escreveu: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sonny! Uncle Hasler has spoken! John Hasler wrote: David Kastrup writes: An illegal document? Well, I've heard quite a few weird attacks on the GPL, but this is the first time

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Eben Moglen predicts broad embrace of GPL 3

2007-05-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 19:56 +0200, David Kastrup escreveu: rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suspect one reason Eben Moglen is leaving the Free Software Foundation prior to official adoption of the GPL3 is due to concerns about it's illegality. A suit against the FSF for the above cited

Re: GNU FUD

2007-05-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 12:16 -0500, rjack escreveu: Now I'm not such a bad guy after all am I? You're a complete dimwit second personality of Alexander Terekhov. Rui -- + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important

Re: Did I finally figure out the rationale?

2007-05-26 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2007-05-26 às 13:37 -0700, mike3 escreveu: (...) the GPL program, but of software in general. However it would be unreasonable to include a demand that in exchange for using a GPL program at all then one must make _all_ software they are developing free (as then it becomes a contract),

Re: The many ways confusion

2007-05-25 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sex, 2007-05-25 às 13:50 -0500, rjack escreveu: ... I reject that rjack is on 1407.org domain. Rui -- + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? signature.asc

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-22 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Seg, 2007-05-21 às 20:40 -0700, mike3 escreveu: On May 21, 4:46 pm, David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: mike3 writes: A GPL program, which is NOT mine, and an original program (my own get it?, code) which IS mine. The combination of your

Re: GNU License, Again

2007-05-22 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Ter, 2007-05-22 às 10:07 +0200, Alfred M. Szmidt escreveu: But what is the _rationale_ for this, then? What is the _rationale_ for you not being allowed to separately distribute the portion that is entirely yours (ie. that you made)? You can separately distribute the portion, but

Re: Question about GPL copyright infringement

2007-05-21 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Dom, 2007-05-20 às 18:50 -0700, mike3 escreveu: On Apr 7, 1:43 pm, Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You cannot steal code, so such an analogy is without a point. But you can still infringe the copyright. That's what's being discussed. Then why don't you talk about that, instead of

Re: Question about GPL theft

2007-05-21 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Seg, 2007-05-21 às 13:21 -0700, mike3 escreveu: On May 21, 8:11 am, Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You cannot steal code, so such an analogy is without a point. But you can still infringe the copyright. That's what's being discussed. No, what was being discussed

Re: GPLv3 comedy unfolding -- Herr Professor: giving away coupons activity by Microsoft is meaningless and useless

2007-05-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sáb, 2007-05-19 às 17:29 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: And you're just stupid. Well, when are we going to see Eben finally going to court against Microsoft? Interestingly, his latest amicus was in support of Microsoft in the case that saved MS billions in current (no less than 60% of

Re: The GNU Philosophy: How practical is it?

2007-04-27 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sex, 2007-04-27 às 14:44 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] Take a look at RedHat IPO scam money aside for a moment, let's see... 1997: net loss1318 (-) 1998: net loss3738 (-) 1999: net loss6388 (-) 2000: net loss 43053 (-) 2001: net

Re: The GNU Philosophy: How practical is it?

2007-04-27 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sex, 2007-04-27 às 17:21 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [...] Dunno why I bother, but... RedHat does far more software development than Adobe. ^ |

Re: What is the best way to learn GNU?

2007-04-09 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Seg, 2007-04-09 às 00:28 +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG escreveu: I am from Korea. I had studied GNU from my friend who was a member of a small local's Linux User Group (LUG). But... .. Still I do not understand GNU. That is why I subscribe here

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Qua, 2007-03-28 às 14:41 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: P.S. To mini-RMS: piss off you first sale is not distributing clinical case. I never said that. What I said is that First Sale doesn't relate to distributing copies you make from your copy. If it did, I double dare you into offering

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Ter, 2007-03-27 às 12:20 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: [snip bullshit] Yada, yada, yada. As if first sale (copyright exhaustion in EU speak) were nonexistent not only in the GNU Republic but everywhere. Only if you distribute, or convey, or whatever, in the

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Ter, 2007-03-27 às 14:30 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As if first sale (copyright exhaustion in EU speak) were nonexistent Well, I don't know the answer to that, and I'm not going to check with a lawyer

Re: GPL: Does a conveyor's violation result in rights to users?

2007-03-27 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Ter, 2007-03-27 às 13:56 +0200, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: Richard Tobin wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yada, yada, yada. As if first sale (copyright exhaustion in EU speak) were nonexistent not only in the GNU Republic but

Re: [help] You opinion on an project idea for the Google Summer of Code 2007

2007-03-16 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Sex, 2007-03-16 às 15:11 +0800, Koh Choon Lin escreveu: Linux is complicated even for the most advanced users. It should be named GNU/Linux. He basically said two false facts, so hey, I just deleted that mail. Rui -- + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever

Re: GPL question

2007-03-10 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sáb, 2007-03-10 at 14:39 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. Note, however, that you will be distributing foo and will have to comply with the terms of its license. allright how bout if i have the user go and install said tool and i do NOT include it with my distribution? in my

Re: GPL question

2007-03-10 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sáb, 2007-03-10 at 17:13 -0600, John Hasler wrote: work. Read the GPL. And I seriously suggest any and all to be very wary of any Alexander Terekhov posts. He reacts like a robot to certain keywords by spilling out pseudo-legal gibberish that totally disregards the law and it's spirit, as

Re: License for selling software?

2007-01-07 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Dom, 2007-01-07 às 12:16 +0100, Merijn de Weerd escreveu: On 2007-01-07, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you considered why not? Red Hat doesn't seem to have much trouble doing so. Red Hat makes money by selling software that other people wrote. I doubt they make

Re: Strawmen and Urban Legends

2006-12-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Qui, 2006-12-28 às 11:03 +0100, Stefaan A Eeckels escreveu: On 27 Dec 2006 21:07:02 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to those anti-swpatent folks vocoder would be unpatentable today... Overstating the case (like some of the anti-swpatent folk) doesn't help. Of course, a

Re: Strawmen and Urban Legends

2006-12-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Qui, 2006-12-28 às 12:13 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra escreveu: criteria. Nevertheless, the software component can't be patented, as declared in most countries patent law (only a few, like the US, are in violation of TRIPS, at least according to my interpretation which sees software

Re: Strawmen and Urban Legends

2006-12-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Qui, 2006-12-28 às 15:52 +0100, Merijn de Weerd escreveu: On 2006-12-28, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qui, 2006-12-28 =C3=A0s 12:13 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra escreveu: criteria. Nevertheless, the software component can't be patented, as declared in most countries

Re: Strawmen and Urban Legends

2006-12-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Qui, 2006-12-28 às 17:32 +0100, Stefaan A Eeckels escreveu: The EPO is already doing a great job as far as software patents are concerned. And you are an authority on these matters. No, but the EPO is, an they declared about 30 thousand software patents circa 2002. Most programmers

Re: Strawmen and Urban Legends

2006-12-28 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Qui, 2006-12-28 às 18:14 +0100, Stefaan A Eeckels escreveu: On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:50:35 + Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qui, 2006-12-28 às 17:32 +0100, Stefaan A Eeckels escreveu: The EPO is already doing a great job as far as software patents are concerned

Re: Free Software Law Center and the FSF repudiated the GPL

2006-12-20 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
oops, one more thread to the kill list. Go drop dead rjack/Alex simbionte. I get confused, which double personality are you now, really? Conspiration-theory nuts like you only tend to bother people. Qua, 2006-12-20 às 20:30 +0100, Alexander Terekhov escreveu: Just a subject change. Unpaid

Re: Strawmen and Urban Legends

2006-12-18 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Seg, 2006-12-18 às 00:34 -0800, Regis escreveu: Search for computer implemented invention At the EPO, software as such is also not patentable, but a computer implemented invention can be patentable if it provides a technical effect that goes further to the normal functions of the computer ;-)

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