Re: GPL Question

2007-12-15 Thread Alexander Terekhov
rjack wrote: [... Affero GPL ...] If you're into the copyleft thing ask the people at the Free Sofware Foundation http://www.fsf.org/licensing/ -- it'll be legal gibberish It would be real fun to watch FSF/SFLC enforcing GNU Affero*** given

Re: GPL Question

2007-12-12 Thread rjack
Ryan wrote: I'm not sure this is the place to be asking this, so please redirect me if necessary. I'm working on a payment-routing server (http://ripple.sf.net/), and I'd like to release it under a license that obliges those who build services on it to also release the source for those

Re: GPL Question

2007-12-12 Thread David Kastrup
rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds like a wonderful idea. Keeping the source code and protocols open for all to examine will be the perfect challenge to every malicious hacker on the planet to see who can disrupt your co-operative financial accounting system in 0.001 seconds or less.

Re: GPL Question

2007-12-12 Thread Noah Slater
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:10:57AM -0500, rjack wrote: Sounds like a wonderful idea. Keeping the source code and protocols open for all to examine will be the perfect challenge to every malicious hacker on the planet to see who can disrupt your co-operative financial accounting system in

Re: GPL Question

2007-12-12 Thread Noah Slater
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 01:24:08PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Windows' security track record does not exactly convince one of closed source's inherent superiority in this regard. \|||/ (o o) ,ooO--(_)---. | Please| | don't feed the | |

Re: GPL Question

2007-12-12 Thread rjack
David Kastrup wrote: rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds like a wonderful idea. Keeping the source code and protocols open for all to examine will be the perfect challenge to every malicious hacker on the planet to see who can disrupt your co-operative financial accounting system in 0.001

Re: GPL Question

2007-12-12 Thread rjack
Noah Slater wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:10:57AM -0500, rjack wrote: Sounds like a wonderful idea. Keeping the source code and protocols open for all to examine will be the perfect challenge to every malicious hacker on the planet to see who can disrupt your co-operative financial

Re: GPL Question

2007-12-12 Thread rjack
Noah Slater wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 01:24:08PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Windows' security track record does not exactly convince one of closed source's inherent superiority in this regard. \|||/ (o o) ,ooO--(_)---. | Please| |

Re: GPL Question

2007-12-12 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Noah Slater wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 01:24:08PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: Windows' security track record does not exactly convince one of closed source's inherent superiority in this regard. \|||/ (o o) ,ooO--(_)---. | Please| | don't

Re: GPL Question

2007-12-12 Thread Ryan
Ummm, anyone want to address my question? On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 07:39 +, Ryan wrote: I'm not sure this is the place to be asking this, so please redirect me if necessary. I'm working on a payment-routing server (http://ripple.sf.net/), and I'd like to release it under a license that

Re: GPL Question

2007-12-12 Thread Noah Slater
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 06:17:03PM +, Ryan wrote: Ummm, anyone want to address my question? From what I can tell, this list was set up specifically as a honey pot for trollers. If you want real help I would recommend joing #gnu on freenode.net. -- Noah Slater http://bytesexual.org/

Re: GPL Question

2007-12-12 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Ummm, anyone want to address my question? Those with patience get answers faster; those who read already have the answer. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPL Question

2007-12-12 Thread rjack
Ryan wrote: Ummm, anyone want to address my question? On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 07:39 +, Ryan wrote: I'm not sure this is the place to be asking this, so please redirect me if necessary. I'm working on a payment-routing server (http://ripple.sf.net/), and I'd like to release it under a

Re: GPL Question

2007-12-12 Thread rjack
Noah Slater wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 06:17:03PM +, Ryan wrote: Ummm, anyone want to address my question? From what I can tell, this list was set up specifically as a honey pot for trollers. If you want real help I would recommend joing #gnu on freenode.net. From what I can

Re: GPL Question

2007-12-12 Thread Miles Bader
Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ummm, anyone want to address my question? You only posted it about 10 hours ago even if somebody is interested in the issue, you still have to give them time to read it. -Miles -- The key to happiness is having dreams. [from a fortune cookie]

Re: GPL question

2007-11-09 Thread mike3
On Oct 17, 1:42 pm, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mike3 writes: OK. I'm curious, though, you mentioned the version 2. Is the version 3 more complicated, then? By orders of magnitude. Do you know patent law? So then how the heck can one ever hope to understand or use it? -- John

Re: GPL question

2007-11-09 Thread John Hasler
mike3 writes: OK. I'm curious, though, you mentioned the version 2. Is the version 3 more complicated, then? I wrote: By orders of magnitude. Do you know patent law? mike3 writes: So then how the heck can one ever hope to understand or use it? A good question. I certainly do not intend to

Re: GPL question

2007-10-25 Thread danw6144
On Oct 24, 5:47 am, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't you get a Shared Source license and test your theories and then mail Stevie Balmer? Betcha' my dog can whup your dog. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: GPL question

2007-10-25 Thread Richard Tobin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And to reiterate, Miles does not represent or speak for GNU. So he cannot state who does or does not represent the GNU project. Anyone can state facts. Who you find more reliable depends on lots of factors. -- Richard --

Re: GPL question

2007-10-24 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Oct 19, 9:47 am, Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The binary is also combined into one big blob when run, But not even by me. The user chooses to combine it. I don't. For all I care, the user may choose to combine it with

Re: GPL question

2007-10-24 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 12:29:40PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: ROFL. Hey dak, you know that your theory of user linking (when there is no library with compatible interface) creating acting as your agent liability is utter nonsense and only totally lobotomized GNUtians take it

Re: GPL question

2007-10-24 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alexander Terekhov wrote: FYI: 10/18/2007 3 AFFIDAVIT OF SERVICE. Monsoon Multimedia, Inc. served on 9/24/2007, answer due 10/22/2007. Service was accepted by Loretta Alger, Account Manager. Document filed by Erik Andersen; Rob Landley. (Ravicher, Daniel) (Entered: 10/18/2007)

Re: GPL question

2007-10-24 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 12:29:40PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: ROFL. Hey dak, you know that your theory of user linking (when there is no library with compatible interface) creating acting as your agent liability is utter nonsense and only totally

Re: GPL question

2007-10-24 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:44:05PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 12:29:40PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: ROFL. Hey dak, you know that your theory of user linking (when there is no library with compatible interface) creating acting as your agent liability

Re: GPL question

2007-10-24 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:44:05PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 12:29:40PM +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote: ROFL. Hey dak, you know that your theory of user linking (when there is no library with compatible interface)

Re: GPL question

2007-10-24 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Alfred does not represent or speak for GNU. Since you don't either represent or speak for GNU, you really can't state that now can you? Sure I can. Anyway, to reiterate: Alfred does not represent or speak for GNU. And to reiterate, Miles does not represent or speak for

Re: GPL question

2007-10-23 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
When you choose dynamic linking, you are not including the library, but only its interface in your product. The users of your product may or may not opt to use it with the library in question. You are including code as well, macros for example. If they are part of

Re: GPL question

2007-10-23 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
I am not a lawyer, so I can only offer a common sense opinion: Which sadly, is not much common sense. I see GNU likes civilized discourse. Alfred does not represent or speak for GNU. Since you don't either represent or speak for GNU, you really can't state that

Re: GPL question

2007-10-23 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: I am not a lawyer, so I can only offer a common sense opinion: Which sadly, is not much common sense. I see GNU likes civilized discourse. Alfred does not represent or speak for GNU. Since you don't either represent or speak

Re: GPL question

2007-10-23 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Oct 19, 9:47 am, Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The binary is also combined into one big blob when run, But not even by me. The user chooses to combine it. I don't. For all I care, the user may choose to combine it with some other library, which he

Re: GPL question

2007-10-23 Thread John Hasler
David Kastrup writes: If there is a library with compatible interface, you might be right. If there isn't, and if the only reasonable way in which the user can sensibly make any use of your code is to link with a particular library, the the user is acting as your agent when assembling the

Re: GPL question

2007-10-23 Thread Miles Bader
Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alfred does not represent or speak for GNU. Since you don't either represent or speak for GNU, you really can't state that now can you? Sure I can. Anyway, to reiterate: Alfred does not represent or speak for GNU. -Miles -- Run away! Run

Re: GPL question

2007-10-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Miles Bader wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not a lawyer, so I can only offer a common sense opinion: Which sadly, is not much common sense. I see GNU likes civilized discourse. Alfred does not represent or speak for GNU. He is uber GNUtian. Next step in the evolution of

Re: GPL question

2007-10-20 Thread Alexander Terekhov
FYI: 10/18/2007 3 AFFIDAVIT OF SERVICE. Monsoon Multimedia, Inc. served on 9/24/2007, answer due 10/22/2007. Service was accepted by Loretta Alger, Account Manager. Document filed by Erik Andersen; Rob Landley. (Ravicher, Daniel) (Entered: 10/18/2007) 10/19/2007 4 ORDER TO EXTEND TIME FOR

Re: GPL question

2007-10-19 Thread n . torrey . pines
On Oct 10, 5:44 pm, Mike Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am currently developing a closed source application that is going to be used on Linux and Solaris. Question is, (1) Can I dynamically link my application with free libraries already present on the target system, even if they're GPL'ed?

Re: GPL question

2007-10-19 Thread Miles Bader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not a lawyer, so I can only offer a common sense opinion: Which sadly, is not much common sense. I see GNU likes civilized discourse. Alfred does not represent or speak for GNU. -Miles -- /\ /\ (^.^) ()) *This is the cute kitty virus, please copy this

Re: GPL question

2007-10-19 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
I am not a lawyer, so I can only offer a common sense opinion: Which sadly, is not much common sense. When you choose dynamic linking, you are not including the library, but only its interface in your product. The users of your product may or may not opt to use it with the library in

Re: GPL question

2007-10-19 Thread rjack
Alexander Terekhov wrote: rjack wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: I hope than Monsoon folks will take an opportunity to trash Moglen's nonsensical GNU legal theory myths in federal court. The GPL myth gives rise to another problem. That problem is legal standing. A license such as the GPL

Re: GPL question

2007-10-19 Thread n . torrey . pines
On Oct 19, 9:47 am, Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not a lawyer, so I can only offer a common sense opinion: Which sadly, is not much common sense. I see GNU likes civilized discourse. When you choose dynamic linking, you are not including the library, but only its

Re: GPL question

2007-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
John Hasler wrote: Tim Smith writes: Especially when the later keep overlooking a major area of copyright law: first sale. As more and more embedded systems use Linux, and more and more OEMs sell pre-built Linux systems, first sale is going to become very relevant. First sale does

Re: GPL question

2007-10-18 Thread rjack
Alexander Terekhov wrote: Note that the GPLv2 does not acknowledge First Sale when it states However, nothing else grants you permission to modify or distribute the Program or its derivative works. The GPL (and Herr Professor Moglen) is attempting to redefine what a condition means with

Re: GPL question

2007-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
rjack wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: Note that the GPLv2 does not acknowledge First Sale when it states However, nothing else grants you permission to modify or distribute the Program or its derivative works. The GPL (and Herr Professor Moglen) is attempting to redefine what a

Re: GPL question

2007-10-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Alexander Terekhov wrote: rjack wrote: Alexander Terekhov wrote: Note that the GPLv2 does not acknowledge First Sale when it states However, nothing else grants you permission to modify or distribute the Program or its derivative works. The GPL (and Herr Professor Moglen) is

Re: GPL question

2007-10-17 Thread Mike Cox
On Oct 14, 3:08 am, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [bah, google groups seems broken] Mike Cox writes: In a previous reply, rjack says that according to copyright law (1) is legal too unless contractually prohibited but he also seems to think the GPL is not a contract so no prohibition is

Re: GPL question

2007-10-17 Thread Mike Cox
On Oct 14, 3:08 am, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Cox writes: In a previous reply, rjack says that according to copyright law (1) is legal too unless contractually prohibited but he also seems to think the GPL is not a contract so no prohibition is possible. Confusion arises

Re: GPL question

2007-10-17 Thread rjack
Mike Cox wrote: On Oct 14, 3:08 am, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [bah, google groups seems broken] Mike Cox writes: In a previous reply, rjack says that according to copyright law (1) is legal too unless contractually prohibited but he also seems to think the GPL is not a contract so

Re: GPL question

2007-10-17 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 08:04:49AM -0400, rjack wrote: Rjack is a troll. There is no point in trying to make sense of what he writes. Rjack is neither a troll nor a lawyer. Rjack relies on the text of published United States statutes and federal court case law for his personal

Re: GPL question

2007-10-17 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Question is, what is the difference between (1) calling a function in a GPL shared library (2) running an external GPL program and parsing its output One shares code, the other doesn't (unless the output contains copyrightable bits). As for rjack, ignore him. How come they are

Re: GPL question

2007-10-17 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
What other word is there for it? How about GPL? Copyleft works as well. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPL question

2007-10-17 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Otherwise, shun the offer. And I did not preclude that in my postings. One can either accept the offer or reject it. But if one accepts, one must also accept the strings. Obviously. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: GPL question

2007-10-17 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
(1) Its runtime uses GPL code for its edit_distance() function, but only provides source for this one function but not the entire library. (says so in the docs that code for this function is provided to comply with its license) Does the GPL allow that? Can I do the same in my own

Re: GPL question

2007-10-17 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
As for the viral, that's just what I call it. *If you choose* to use GPL code in your program, [...] That is the key, if _you_ choose. Nobody forced you, a virus attacks a host without asking. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list

Re: GPL question

2007-10-17 Thread mike3
On Oct 14, 6:55 pm, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mike3 writes: What I mean is if you choose to use GPL code in your programs, then if you wish to distribute those programs, you must do so under GPL -- and not just the GPLed part, but the entire original part that you put your

Re: GPL question

2007-10-17 Thread mike3
On Oct 14, 6:50 pm, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mike3 writes: So why not make a _clear and simple_ free-software license? Things should be as simple as possible, but no simpler --A. Einstein The GPLv2 is as simple as possible given it's goals. If you want something simpler for

Re: GPL question

2007-10-17 Thread John Hasler
mike3 writes: OK. I'm curious, though, you mentioned the version 2. Is the version 3 more complicated, then? By orders of magnitude. Do you know patent law? -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI USA ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPL question

2007-10-17 Thread Tim Smith
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rjack is neither a troll nor a lawyer. Rjack relies on the text of published United States statutes and federal court case law for his personal observations. Ultimately, the Constitution and the Copyright Act mean exactly what

Re: GPL question

2007-10-15 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Miles Bader wrote: John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rjack is a troll. There is no point in trying to make sense of what he writes. FWIW, Mike Cox is a troll too, though perhaps a slightly more subtle one than bumblers like rjack or wigged out nutcases like Terekhov. Greetings to

Re: GPL question

2007-10-14 Thread Miles Bader
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rjack is a troll. There is no point in trying to make sense of what he writes. FWIW, Mike Cox is a troll too, though perhaps a slightly more subtle one than bumblers like rjack or wigged out nutcases like Terekhov. -Miles -- 1971 pickup truck; will

Re: GPL question

2007-10-14 Thread Byung-Hee HWANG
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 15:18 +0900, Miles Bader wrote: John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rjack is a troll. There is no point in trying to make sense of what he writes. FWIW, Mike Cox is a troll too, though perhaps a slightly more subtle one than bumblers like rjack or wigged out

Re: GPL question

2007-10-14 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
What other word is there for it? Reciprocal? If you chose to receive an offer with strings attached that say you must be reciprocal, then you must be reciprocal. Otherwise, shun the offer. Rui -- You are what you see. Today is Boomtime, the 68th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3173 + No

Re: GPL question

2007-10-14 Thread mike3
On Oct 13, 6:44 pm, Mike Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Possibly, just like a dozen other such projects I found during my research. But most probably aren't knowingly violating the GPL, it's just the GPL is way too complicated. So why not make a _clear and simple_ free-software license?

Re: GPL question

2007-10-14 Thread mike3
On Oct 13, 2:46 pm, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mike3 writes: As for the viral, that's just what I call it. Viral implies that it is infectious and can spread in a disease-like fashion. According to Microsoft this means that if you ever let any GPL code onto your property every

Re: GPL question

2007-10-14 Thread mike3
On Oct 14, 12:59 pm, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What other word is there for it? Reciprocal? If you chose to receive an offer with strings attached that say you must be reciprocal, then you must be reciprocal. Well, alright. Otherwise, shun the offer. And I did

Re: GPL question

2007-10-14 Thread John Hasler
mike3 writes: So why not make a _clear and simple_ free-software license? Things should be as simple as possible, but no simpler --A. Einstein The GPLv2 is as simple as possible given it's goals. If you want something simpler for your software use the BSD. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GPL question

2007-10-14 Thread John Hasler
mike3 writes: What I mean is if you choose to use GPL code in your programs, then if you wish to distribute those programs, you must do so under GPL -- and not just the GPLed part, but the entire original part that you put your little heart and soul into making as well. So choose not to use

Re: GPL question

2007-10-13 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
The end result contains code from a GPL program, and the GPL states that the whole work has to be licensed under the same terms. I am still confused. Does mere linking make the result realy *contain* code from a GPL program? Yes. For example, if you go to

Re: GPL question

2007-10-13 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
On Oct 12, 9:37 am, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 06:03:03AM -0700, Mike Cox wrote: I am still confused. Does mere linking make the result realy *contain* code from a GPL program? Most rational people consider it so, but you seem

Re: GPL question

2007-10-13 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
How come they are allowed to do that but I am not? Are you sure they didn't get a proprietary license from the authors? It could also be the case that they haven't been caught yet... BFD is a GNU project, so no. ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPL question

2007-10-13 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Oct 13, 2007 at 10:34:36AM +0200, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: On Oct 12, 9:37 am, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 06:03:03AM -0700, Mike Cox wrote: I am still confused. Does mere linking make the result realy *contain* code from a

Re: GPL question

2007-10-13 Thread mike3
On Oct 13, 8:22 am, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 13, 2007 at 10:34:36AM +0200, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: On Oct 12, 9:37 am, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 06:03:03AM -0700, Mike Cox wrote: I am still

Re: GPL question

2007-10-13 Thread John Hasler
mike3 writes: As for the viral, that's just what I call it. Viral implies that it is infectious and can spread in a disease-like fashion. According to Microsoft this means that if you ever let any GPL code onto your property every piece of software you ever have or ever will write might become

Re: GPL question

2007-10-13 Thread Mike Cox
On Oct 12, 5:37 pm, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 06:03:03AM -0700, Mike Cox wrote: I am still confused. Does mere linking make the result realy *contain* code from a GPL program? Most rational people consider it so, but you seem to want legal

Re: GPL question

2007-10-13 Thread John Hasler
Mike Cox writes: In a previous reply, rjack says that according to copyright law (1) is legal too unless contractually prohibited but he also seems to think the GPL is not a contract so no prohibition is possible. Confusion arises again. Rjack is a troll. There is no point in trying to make

Re: GPL question

2007-10-12 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 06:03:03AM -0700, Mike Cox wrote: I am still confused. Does mere linking make the result realy *contain* code from a GPL program? Most rational people consider it so, but you seem to want legal advice so I hope you follow the sane reasoning of taking the license to a

Re: GPL question

2007-10-12 Thread rjack
Mike Cox wrote: Where can I find this GNU GPL FAQ? Is it normative? Legaly binding? http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html It is legally binding in all courts exercising jurisdiction under the the authority of the GNU Republic. Again, is mere dynamic linking the same as incorporating

Re: GPL question

2007-10-12 Thread Mike Cox
On Oct 11, 10:57 pm, Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (1) Can I dynamically link my application with free libraries already present on the target system, even if they're GPL'ed? (specifically, libbfd, part of binutils, I believe; and gdbm) Not without first

Re: GPL question

2007-10-12 Thread John Hasler
mike3 writes: I've never really been able to understand this exactly. Why wasn't the license made so that it would only require you release the _GPL-covered parts_ under GPL and distribute them in such a way that they remain free -- why does it take releasing the original parts of the package

Re: GPL question

2007-10-12 Thread mike3
On Oct 12, 4:45 pm, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mike3 writes: I've never really been able to understand this exactly. Why wasn't the license made so that it would only require you release the _GPL-covered parts_ under GPL and distribute them in such a way that they remain free --

Re: GPL question

2007-10-12 Thread mike3
On Oct 12, 9:37 am, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 06:03:03AM -0700, Mike Cox wrote: I am still confused. Does mere linking make the result realy *contain* code from a GPL program? Most rational people consider it so, but you seem to want legal

GPL question

2007-10-11 Thread Mike Cox
I am currently developing a closed source application that is going to be used on Linux and Solaris. Question is, (1) Can I dynamically link my application with free libraries already present on the target system, even if they're GPL'ed? (specifically, libbfd, part of binutils, I believe; and

Re: GPL question

2007-10-11 Thread mike3
On Oct 10, 7:10 pm, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Cox writes: (1) Can I dynamically link my application with free libraries already present on the target system, even if they're GPL'ed? (specifically, libbfd, part of binutils, I believe; and gdbm) Not without first consulting

Re: GPL question

2007-10-11 Thread Mike Cox
On Oct 11, 3:10 am, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Cox writes: (1) Can I dynamically link my application with free libraries already present on the target system, even if they're GPL'ed? (specifically, libbfd, part of binutils, I believe; and gdbm) Not without first consulting

Re: GPL question

2007-10-11 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
(1) Can I dynamically link my application with free libraries already present on the target system, even if they're GPL'ed? (specifically, libbfd, part of binutils, I believe; and gdbm) Not without first consulting a good copyright lawyer experienced in Free Software

Re: GPL question

2007-10-10 Thread John Hasler
Mike Cox writes: (1) Can I dynamically link my application with free libraries already present on the target system, even if they're GPL'ed? (specifically, libbfd, part of binutils, I believe; and gdbm) Not without first consulting a good copyright lawyer experienced in Free Software law.

gpl question

2007-08-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Under the GPL am i allowed to modify an existing program that someone else made (the program is under the GPL) and sell that version? Also, how do i install ant on windows? ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: gpl question

2007-08-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Aug 27, 8:46 pm, Barry Margolin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Under the GPL am i allowed to modify an existing program that someone else made (the program is under the GPL) and sell that version? Yes, as long as you

Re: gpl question

2007-08-27 Thread Barry Margolin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Under the GPL am i allowed to modify an existing program that someone else made (the program is under the GPL) and sell that version? Yes, as long as you make the source code available (including your modifications) and

Re: GPL question

2007-05-24 Thread mike3
On May 22, 1:54 pm, Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And therefore distributing them even separately through different channels is considered the same as distributing them as a whole. So, in other words, the following holds true: If I decide to use GPL code in my program,

Re: GPL question

2007-05-23 Thread Bilgehan . Balban
On May 15, 9:27 pm, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bahadir writes: I don't own the library implementation, but what about any instance of symbols I use in my code? The symbols themselves are not protected by copyright at all. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill

Re: GPL question

2007-05-23 Thread John Hasler
Bahadir writes: Are those kernel headers explicitly declared as public interface somewhere, or else how do you distinguish a non-copyrightable public interface? It is not up to the author to determine whether or not a work or a portion of a work is protected by copyright. It depends on the

Re: GPL question

2007-05-22 Thread mike3
On May 21, 2:45 pm, Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about if it does not contain the GPL program, ie. the two could be distributed separately and are not fused? Like if they occupy separate program files and there is no source code mixing, but the non-GPL one depends

Re: GPL question

2007-05-22 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
And therefore distributing them even separately through different channels is considered the same as distributing them as a whole. So, in other words, the following holds true: If I decide to use GPL code in my program, I am agreeing to pay for the code with my own code -- because

Re: GPL question

2007-05-21 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Although I'm not the asker of the question, this still brings to mind the dillemma I haven't quite settled for myself yet. What if, say, instead of dual-licensing the _entire work_, he (the asker of the original question) tweaked it so the _GPL parts_ could be distributed in the

Re: GPL question

2007-05-21 Thread mike3
On May 21, 7:42 am, Alfred M. Szmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I'm not the asker of the question, this still brings to mind the dillemma I haven't quite settled for myself yet. What if, say, instead of dual-licensing the _entire work_, he (the asker of the original

Re: GPL question

2007-05-21 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
What about if it does not contain the GPL program, ie. the two could be distributed separately and are not fused? Like if they occupy separate program files and there is no source code mixing, but the non-GPL one depends vitally on the GPL one? If it depends `vitally' on the GPL

Re: GPL question

2007-05-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
John Hasler wrote: [...] In the US creation of derivatives is one of the exclusive rights of the copyright owner. This right is under statutory limitation regarding computer programs. 17 USC 117, stupid. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/circs/2nd/039303p.pdf regards, alexander.

Re: GPL question

2007-05-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
David Kastrup wrote: [...] If you are merely using the system call interface of the kernel, you Use of ANY interface doesn't create a derivative work, stupid. The AFC test and all that. are not involved with creating a derivative work, and as long as the customer has a license for running

Re: GPL question

2007-05-17 Thread Richard Tobin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is interesting, because as I understand it the FSF claims that if I distribute code that only works with their libraries (because I use their interfaces), then I must distribute my code under the GPL even if I don't

Re: GPL question

2007-05-17 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Tobin) writes: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you say: Big deal, I won't link it then. The customer has to do it. Now if the only conceivable use of the software _is_ to link it to a free version of the software, the linking

Re: GPL question

2007-05-17 Thread Richard Tobin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Kastrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Tobin) writes: If the interface is optional, it sounds like there is code in it which _only_ serves the purpose of interfacing to readline and does not make any sense otherwise. In that case, it is

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