Re: [!NEWS] The GNUtards Must Be Crazy

2009-03-13 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: Here's free advice right from the GPL Compliance Lab (my what a bunch of pompous lunatics): Be assured that your jealousy is unwarranted. You definitely are more than their match in that category. -- David Kastrup

Re: [!NEWS] The GNUtards Must Be Crazy

2009-03-13 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: Here's free advice right from the GPL Compliance Lab (my what a bunch of pompous lunatics): Be assured that your jealousy is unwarranted. You definitely are more than

Re: [!NEWS] The GNUtards Must Be Crazy

2009-03-14 Thread David Kastrup
Chris Ahlstrom ahlstr...@launchmodem.com writes: After takin' a swig o' grog, David Kastrup belched out this bit o' wisdom: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: Hey dak, For quite some time I have been living on my own with no family to support how much taxes (as in X) did

Re: [!NEWS] The GNUtards Must Be Crazy

2009-03-15 Thread David Kastrup
Rjack u...@example.net writes: Alexander Terekhov wrote: David Kastrup wrote: [... about me ...] He is serious about being an idiot. Said GNUtian Huh? You can't be held to a contract you did not sign dak. Seldom have truer words been spoken: When have you EVER seen a truly

Re: [!NEWS] The GNUtards Must Be Crazy

2009-03-15 Thread David Kastrup
Rjack u...@example.net writes: David Kastrup wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: Alexander Terekhov wrote: David Kastrup wrote: [... about me ...] He is serious about being an idiot. Said GNUtian Huh? You can't be held to a contract you did not sign dak. Seldom have truer words

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-03-17 Thread David Kastrup
take responsibility for their actions. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-03-17 Thread David Kastrup
itself. So what is your point? -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-03-18 Thread David Kastrup
personal aims? Why would you not want to make a difference towards a world that better meets your visions? -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-03-18 Thread David Kastrup
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes: In gnu.misc.discuss David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes: In gnu.misc.discuss Andrew Halliwell spi...@ponder.sky.com wrote: It'd stop a lot of fishing for out of court settlements if the accused was no longer terrified

Re: The GPL is unenforceable under U.S. copyright law

2009-03-18 Thread David Kastrup
are _for_ the defendant. So if neither plaintiff nor defendant are interested in a decision against the GPL, the court will never get to a verdict relevant for the GPL. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-03-18 Thread David Kastrup
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: David Kastrup wrote: So what is your point? He believes that one may avail himself of the copying and distribution permissions of the GPL while not honoring its requirements, because he believes it's the requirements which are unenforceable while

Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..

2009-03-18 Thread David Kastrup
was in response to a company infringing on the copyrights of the SFLC clients. And actually, they tried to get a settlement outside of court _first_ each time. And they have hundreds of cases where they succeeded. So one can hardly claim they are misusing the court system. -- David Kastrup

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

2009-03-30 Thread David Kastrup
and however misguided, content. He has something to say, however wrong he may turn out all the time. Rjack hasn't. Shutting either of them off would certainly be censorship. But the cases are different. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu

Re: More FSF hypocrisy

2009-03-30 Thread David Kastrup
that they are the only kind around. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-03 Thread David Kastrup
from compiler copyright (by volition of the compiler writers in addition to whatever copyright law might or might not dictate), users have one thing less to worry about. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-03 Thread David Kastrup
Rjack u...@example.net writes: David Kastrup wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: amicus_curious wrote: The constructions created by any compiler are fairly atomic in nature and it is unlikely that anyone could make a case that the compiler output, constructed of some collection

Re: GPL is like a cancer

2009-04-14 Thread David Kastrup
to add measures against it. And that lands them with copyleft. It's amusing that BSD-style software proponents get annoyed when anybody makes actual use of the liberties of the BSD license. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-05-01 Thread David Kastrup
to do it in a reasonable workflow. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-05-01 Thread David Kastrup
chrisv chr...@nospam.invalid writes: David Kastrup belched: chrisv writes: Seriously. You're full of it, and you're wrong, Fuddie. As usual, your FUD does not fly. I don't think he is wrong here. Well then, you're wrong, too. And likely a Fuddie as well. Even if you know

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-05-01 Thread David Kastrup
chrisv chr...@nospam.invalid writes: David Kastrup wrote: And? There are live disks that install in 15 minutes on a good system. There are live disks that take 2 hours (take the TeXlive DVD). There are differences in layout and effectiveness. How oddball a situation are you willing

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-05-01 Thread David Kastrup
chrisv chr...@nospam.invalid writes: David Kastrup wrote: I've been working with various kinds of storage media since the middle of the seventies, and dozens of operating systems. Good for you. The average computer user also has a lot of experience with the delays inherent in using

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-05-01 Thread David Kastrup
chrisv chr...@nospam.invalid writes: David Kastrup wrote: You let your animosities get the better of you. Learn how to take defeat better. It does not get better than that. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-05-08 Thread David Kastrup
is a matter of copyright law. Which is the case with any software license or contract. Getting copyright law right is hard and a moving overly complex target, different in different countries. But that's hardly a fault with the GPL, let alone the FSF. -- David Kastrup

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-05-08 Thread David Kastrup
of the GPL. The terms of the GPL have nothing to do with it. It's not legal for anything that comes under the scope of the copyright for the GPLed part. Whether it comes under the scope depends on copyright jurisdiction, not the GPL. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-05-11 Thread David Kastrup
Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, 09 May 2009 10:52:41 +0200, David Kastrup wrote: They would clearly like not to have copyright apply to this situation, since then they would not need the GPL to provide its copyleft mechanism there. Without copyright the GPL is pointless

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-05-11 Thread David Kastrup
is considered by the courts to be a serious breach, A serious breach of what? and is not allowed. There is no clear and consistent case law with regard to linking stuff. When in doubt, you will try to make sure that decisions leaning either way will not put you too much in harm's way. -- David Kastrup

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-05-12 Thread David Kastrup
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: David Kastrup wrote: That's if, not only if. The problem is whether the combined work is more than a mere aggregation of its part so that the original constituents can no longer be told apart well enough to be licensed differently. Let's speak

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-05-12 Thread David Kastrup
Hadron hadronqu...@gmail.com writes: Well, it would seem that the entire GPL issue is not so easy after all... Copyright is not easy. Replace GPL by BSD or by EULA, and the water does not get less muddier at all. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
be different. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-05-14 Thread David Kastrup
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: David Kastrup wrote: So the wishes of the copyright holder simply cannot be guessed from the license text itself When the copyright holder has chosen a particular license, all that is required from others is to abide by that license when required to do

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-05-15 Thread David Kastrup
JEDIDIAH j...@nomad.mishnet writes: Courts exist because most people aren't honorable enough for just a simple handshake. If both sides understand something different about what they are shaking hands for, this need not be malicious. -- David Kastrup

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-05-18 Thread David Kastrup
a claim from that mess, the laymen here should likely not bother. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Fw: [FSF] FSF Settles Suit Against Cisco

2009-05-22 Thread David Kastrup
the next time the FSF takes Cisco to court for the same behavior, they need to make the non-heeding of this agreement part of the suit and can't just restart from scratch. Other than that, nothing has changed. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Fw: [FSF] FSF Settles Suit Against Cisco

2009-05-22 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] Cisco and the FSF now have a written agreement ... Sez who? I bet EURO 100 that if you ask Cisco to confirm the details of the settlement with the FSF you'll get the same reaction as in the case of Verizon. Wanna

Re: Fw: [FSF] FSF Settles Suit Against Cisco

2009-05-22 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] Oh, PR people and CEOs are supposed to deliver all the definite answers to all things files in the legal department, when asked unprepared? Feel free to contract Cicso's legal department, silly. You are the one

Re: [News] FSF Celebrates a Win in Cisco Case

2009-05-22 Thread David Kastrup
, they spin and spin in a vain and embarrassing attempt to rewrite history. Well, embarrassment does not seem all too foreign to you. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-06-14 Thread David Kastrup
with standard ammunition, even if you never sell ammunition yourself, you'll still have weapon laws apply to your products. Even though it is bullets that kill people, not guns. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-06-15 Thread David Kastrup
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: David Kastrup wrote: Dynamic linking delays the act of copying, but it remains an essential integral part of putting the program to its intended use. The difference between static and dynamic linking is that in static linking the copying occurs as part

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-06-15 Thread David Kastrup
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: David Kastrup wrote: I can't put instructions for dynamic linking into a program and blame the dynamic linker or the person running the program according to instructions for the created in-memory copy. There is no blame or illegal act involved. Those

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-06-15 Thread David Kastrup
Andrew Halliwell spi...@ponder.sky.com writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: David Kastrup wrote: Dynamic linking delays the act of copying, but it remains an essential integral part of putting the program to its intended use. The difference

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-06-16 Thread David Kastrup
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: David Kastrup wrote: A gun stored in parts is still a gun. The place to look for rules on copying is copyright law. Inapt and irrelevant analogies will lead you to erroneous conclusions. An executable image stored in parts is still an executable image

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-06-16 Thread David Kastrup
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: David Kastrup wrote: Sigh. A program is not a legally responsible entity. The responsible party is the _writer_ of the program. I can't push away the responsibility about what a program of mine does to somebody else. Computer viruses are _exclusively_

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-06-16 Thread David Kastrup
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: David Kastrup wrote: An executable image stored in parts is still an executable image. Just because the assembly happens on-demand does not change the intent. As long as there is no conceivable use without the (automatic and planned) assembly, the exact

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-06-16 Thread David Kastrup
. In that case, you need a license for this integration. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-06-16 Thread David Kastrup
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: David Kastrup wrote: But we are not talking about copying, but assembling. The act of creating a mere in-memory copy does not cause additional worries, as this is the _intended_ use of the copy. But dynamic linking is not mere copying

Re: GPL traitor !

2009-06-16 Thread David Kastrup
you need to decide what you want to be arguing and citing. Therefore copyright is irrelevant in dynamic llnking. Only static linking falls under copyright law. ld.so and ld are doing pretty much the same job. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Another GPL violation settled

2009-06-25 Thread David Kastrup
have a demonstration that real companies act as if the GPL works exactly the way it claims to. The GPL does not claim to work in any way. It is a license, not a proclamation. The FSF (and other people) claim it does. And don't seem all too far off the mark... -- David Kastrup

Re: Google to launch PC operating system

2009-07-11 Thread David Kastrup
was supposed to be freedom, not usability. It still surprises me if, in spite of vast RD budgets and usability labs for proprietary systems, free products also end up first in usability. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: Google to launch PC operating system

2009-07-11 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: GNUtians and RMS have blithely blathered and babbled since 1995 that the GPL and Copyleft would destroy Micro$oft. RMS' buddy Moglen's death threats to MS (Free Software and the Death

Re: Google to launch PC operating system

2009-07-11 Thread David Kastrup
Rjack u...@example.net writes: David Kastrup wrote: Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: GNUtians and RMS have blithely blathered and babbled since 1995 that the GPL and Copyleft would destroy Micro$oft. RMS' buddy Moglen's death

Re: Google to launch PC operating system

2009-07-11 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] Oh, I certainly hope for world peace and aim for it, but I would not How exactly do you aim for it, dak? You're a parasite living on tax payers money. I suppose statements like that would warrant a Kostenpflichtige

Re: Computerworld.com/Infoworld.com: Does GPL still matter?

2009-08-11 Thread David Kastrup
liberals of the computer world. This phrase does not even know what it wants to mean... -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Computerworld.com/Infoworld.com: Does GPL still matter?

2009-08-19 Thread David Kastrup
that done to an interview of mine, and people always have asked before the final publication whether I was ok with it. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Groklaw attacks Alexander

2009-08-24 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] So you have no clue about the term nominal damages. Look it up then. Nominal charges are _exactly_ used when a party would have the right to claim _actual_ damages rather than _contractual_ damages. Go to doctor, silly

Re: GPL upheld on appeal in France

2009-09-24 Thread David Kastrup
. Interesting. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Groklaw attacks Alexander -- Again

2009-09-26 Thread David Kastrup
. No idea what the current situation would be. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Groklaw attacks Alexander -- Again

2009-09-27 Thread David Kastrup
. Throw in my lot? Yep, you use one of the BSDs, don't you? Fine operating systems, so I've heard. My ISP uses one, too. What will it give me that Linux won't? Respectability. Does not appear to make much of a difference for a spendthrift like you. -- David Kastrup

Re: Groklaw attacks Alexander -- Again

2009-09-27 Thread David Kastrup
of committing character suicide without needing help from third parties. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: GPL upheld on appeal in France

2009-09-28 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] But I agree that it does not seem to be of much importance or precedence. Pretty little in connection with GPL court cases is, since How come that up-thread you've been suggesting that this supposedly groundbreaking

Re: GPL upheld on appeal in France

2009-09-28 Thread David Kastrup
Rjack u...@example.net writes: John Hasler wrote: David Kastrup writes: It would not seem like a particularly important victory. I think it is an obvious and predictable victory, but still an important one as it has a court establishing that the GPL is _not_ the same as public domain

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

2009-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
first sales rights. But not you. Not to the copies you made under permission of the GPL. Is that a loophole for the GPL in US jurisdiction? Maybe, but apparently not large enough to be attractive for setting up a business. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

2009-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] Is that a loophole for the GPL in US jurisdiction? Maybe, but apparently not large enough to be attractive for setting up a business. Dak, dak, dak, how do you know that? Please share with us the methodology of your

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

2009-10-11 Thread David Kastrup
amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87skdr9gsd@lola.goethe.zz... Now I would not put it past you to try to set up a business centered around this purportive loophole. But nobody in his right mind would care to do important business

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

2009-10-11 Thread David Kastrup
amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87ws326l79@lola.goethe.zz... amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: Very few have ever succeeded in any business centered around open source software. More than those in any business centered against

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

2009-10-12 Thread David Kastrup
amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote in message news:hat7ab$2oo...@colin2.muc.de... In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87ws326l79@lola.goethe.zz... amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

2009-10-12 Thread David Kastrup
Rjack u...@example.net writes: David Kastrup wrote: He made the rather audacious and totally unsupported statement that the GPL software market is worth billions by now and he ducks and runs from the challenge that his notion is simply false. Huh? There was no challenge. If there had

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

2009-10-12 Thread David Kastrup
and doing nothing. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

2009-10-13 Thread David Kastrup
amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87pr8s4t7b@lola.goethe.zz... Rjack u...@example.net writes: David Kastrup wrote: He made the rather audacious and totally unsupported statement that the GPL software market is worth billions by now

Psystar/Apple/First sale on Groklaw

2009-10-13 Thread David Kastrup
of the purported loophole appears to be in practice. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

2009-10-13 Thread David Kastrup
amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message Uh yes. We were talking about _market_ value of GPL software business. Now you want to exclude everything for which one has to pay. How much more stupid can you get? Well I find it difficult to achieve your

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

2009-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message news:87k4yzgwfx@lola.goethe.zz... amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote in message Uh yes. We were talking about _market_ value of GPL software business. Now you want

Re: Psystar/Apple/First sale on Groklaw

2009-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
. First sale does not pertain to material you acquired without permission. If you acquired it with conditional permission, you need to keep the conditions. Otherwise, you are not in possession of a copy which you can dispense of according to first sale. -- David Kastrup

Re: Psystar/Apple/First sale on Groklaw

2009-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [... utter crapola ...] Facts: (1) http://www.copyright.gov/reports/studies/dmca/sec-104-report-vol-1.pdf There is no dispute that section 109 applies to works in digital form. Physical copies of works in a digital

Re: Psystar/Apple/First sale on Groklaw

2009-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
the fact and are subject to confiscation. In a similar vein, creating copies according to the permissions given by the GPL does not mean that I am free to ignore the GPL after creating the copies. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

2009-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast. There goes the shawl again!' -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: Psystar/Apple/First sale on Groklaw

2009-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com writes: David Kastrup writes: lawfully made is not something that sticks and covers all in perpetuity. If I have a contract with a reseller about royalties per copy, he is selling lawfully made copies. If the reseller decides, after selling the copies

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

2009-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
Rjack u...@example.net writes: David Kastrup wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Oh, here we go again. That's FUD, Rjack. You're well aware that that only applies when the other decides to license his code under the GPL, possibly as a consequence of his (free

Re: US court says software is owned, not licensed

2009-10-14 Thread David Kastrup
for distributing. What I _can_ do is grab every free neighbourhood newspaper I can get and sell them on Ebay. But I can't make my own copies or modifications without permission and distribute them as original works. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss

Re: [LMAO] El Reg: GPLv2 - copyright code or contract?

2009-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
with that? -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: [LMAO] El Reg: GPLv2 - copyright code or contract?

2009-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
Hadron hadronqu...@gmail.com writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: That has nothing whatsoever to do with loopholes or complexity in the GPL. It has to do with non-free software. The FSF stuck to its principles, and the makers of Qt decided to release it under a free license after

Re: [LMAO] El Reg: GPLv2 - copyright code or contract?

2009-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
Tim Smith reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com writes: In article 8763acztoq@lola.goethe.zz, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: The KDE developers were operating in good faith when they dynamically linked to non-GPL Qt. This is allowed under GPLv2, because Qt was something normally

Re: [LMAO] El Reg: GPLv2 - copyright code or contract?

2009-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
Tim Smith reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com writes: In article 87ws2sybe7@lola.goethe.zz, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Hadron hadronqu...@gmail.com writes: David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: That has nothing whatsoever to do with loopholes or complexity in the GPL. It has

Re: [LMAO] El Reg: GPLv2 - copyright code or contract?

2009-10-18 Thread David Kastrup
, but the parties reached is really suggesting a kind of bilateral process that was not involved here. The credit for the current state certainly belongs to Trolltech. Any credit to RMS is not for changing but rather for declaring his position. -- David Kastrup

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread David Kastrup
. Because of its control-freak urges, it can stymie competition, which is presumably why Stallman is now calling on the European Commission to grant what his license couldn't: freedom. LMAO! A rather absurd diatribe apparently based on confusing fork with dual-licensing. -- David Kastrup

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] THE LACK OF A MORE FLEXIBLE LICENSE FOR MYSQL WILL PRESENT CONSIDERABLE BARRIERS TO A NEW FORKED DEVELOPMENT PATH FOR MYSQL. Uh, you conveniently forgot to mention that this is about MySQL being licensed GPLv2 _only_

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [...] Nonsense. The affirmative act is accomplished in advance when the copyright holder acts according to the recommendation: Go to doctor, idiot dak. One just can't be a party (licensor or licensee) to an intellectual

Re: [News] Richard Stallman Protects MySQL from Oracle

2009-10-21 Thread David Kastrup
was asked what he thought of Western civilization. His reply was I think it would be a good idea. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: [Matt Asay Tells The Truth] Stallman: GPL doesn't guarantee software freedom

2009-10-21 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: David Kastrup wrote: [... the GPL is not a contract ...] Both courts unequivocally said that the GPL is a contract. How comes you snip everything relevant from my reply before stomping your feet again? As I already said: contract law applies since

Re: [News] Richard Stallman Protects MySQL from Oracle

2009-10-22 Thread David Kastrup
. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss

Re: [RESEARCH NEWS] Standford study explains pro-GPL radicals

2009-10-23 Thread David Kastrup
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de writes: Hey dak, why don't you send a complaint to http://maps.google.de/maps/place?hl=desource=hpum=1ie=UTF-8q=boeblingen+poizeifb=1gl=dehq=poizeihnear=boeblingencid=2520550833099290880 as well? Standing. -- David Kastrup

Re: Actual Damages in JMRI Case

2009-11-04 Thread David Kastrup
to the reseller), actual damages are not interesting and not what I will be suing for. In this case, the defendant is bringing them up mostly as a red herring. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org

Re: Swiss govt agency declares Linux/OSS crapware not a sufficientalternative to Microsoft products

2009-11-08 Thread David Kastrup
intellectual, except as a subsidiary meaning. Its primary meaning is spiritual or religious, Still wrong. You are confusing this with geistlich which indeed means spiritual/religious. or perhaps mental. As I said, geistig is cognate with ghostly. No. ghostly would be geisterhaft. -- David Kastrup

Re: Swiss govt agency declares Linux/OSS crapware not a sufficientalternative to Microsoft products

2009-11-09 Thread David Kastrup
putting their savings into the Icelandic state bank had a bit of a problem when too many tried the conversion at once. The bank ran out of sufficient access to tangible property. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: PJ lies about Terekhov--again

2009-11-16 Thread David Kastrup
and rule according to that finding. What a higher court does may depend on its revisiting the evidence. Stop being utter idiot Hyman. Why? You never have. You can say that again. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss

Re: PJ comes to her senses -- finally

2009-11-18 Thread David Kastrup
previous business as Caldera. They are just sheep in a wolf's clothing cheaply acquired, for the sake of shedding crocodile tears before the court. Oh, my poor little cubs! -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org

Re: PJ comes to her senses -- finally

2009-11-18 Thread David Kastrup
so. The indication is, as far as I can see, nothing but an indication and does not get you into any deeper pickle than you are in, anyway. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman

Re: SFLC in frivolous mode again

2009-12-15 Thread David Kastrup
RJack u...@example.net writes: David Kastrup wrote: Most certainly the SFLC does not need to read the outpour of self-proclaimed legal amateurs in this newsgroup in order to plan their course of action. They have a quite better track record at predicting legal cases than the most

Re: SFLC in frivolous mode again

2009-12-16 Thread David Kastrup
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes: In gnu.misc.discuss David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Most certainly the SFLC does not need to read the outpour of self-proclaimed legal amateurs in this newsgroup in order to plan their course of action. What makes you think Rjack is a legal amateur

Re: Pee Jay says silence is golden

2009-12-18 Thread David Kastrup
seek a legal means of violating it. The examples I have seen from them here, however, again boil down to their problems with understanding copyright, not the GPL. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http

Re: SFLC in frivolous mode again

2010-01-08 Thread David Kastrup
, this, or any [other] defendant. The SFLC is the plaintiff. The SFLC may have _agreed_ to the delay stipulation, but it certainly was not the one to _file_ it. -- David Kastrup ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http

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