Re: gnucash and Mac OS X 10.4

2005-06-07 Thread David Reiser
On Jun 7, 2005, at 9:23 PM, R Hannes Beinert wrote: My current install of GnuCash (fink) on a Mac (G3/384MB/Tiger) is taking about an hour (!) to completely start up. Top shows that guile-1.6 is essentially taking most of the CPU for about 38 minutes (processor time) before the splash fi

Re: gnucash and Mac OS X 10.4

2005-06-07 Thread Peter O'Gorman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 R Hannes Beinert wrote: | Suggestions welcome. G5's welcome, too. :-) | TIA. Bug in dlsym, fixed in Mac OS X 10.4.2 coming soon. Peter - -- Peter O'Gorman - http://www.pogma.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (Darwin) iQCVAw

Re: On Gnucash, G2, and Architecture

2005-06-07 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
I've been lurking in this conversation as its very muchout of my world, though very interesting... my .02 below... Dan Widyono wrote: I <> This does not match what I hear from regular users (non-computer-savvy). They follow whatever their distro vendor provides for the most part. "The dis

Re: gnucash and Mac OS X 10.4

2005-06-07 Thread R Hannes Beinert
--- Derek Atkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting "Kevin T. Broderick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > (With that said, having things start up quickly is nice, too, and I'd > > obviously be interested in other ideas to speed up the process.) > > Fix gnucash's half-done modularization effort.

Re: GncTreeView

2005-06-07 Thread David Hampton
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 17:10 -0400, Chris Shoemaker wrote: >Something like gnc_tree_view_new() or > gnc_tree_view_new_with_model(), would be convenient. It seems almost > conventional in gtk. That's true in cases where the the model (or whatever) is optional. At the moment I think the GncTree

Re: GncTreeView

2005-06-07 Thread David Hampton
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 15:37 -0400, Chris Shoemaker wrote: > David, > I've had a pretty good look at gnc-tree-view.{ch} and I think > it's fantastic. This is exactly what all the other tree views were > begging for. And the integration with gconf is great. I think it's > going to make for

Re: GncTreeView

2005-06-07 Thread Chris Shoemaker
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 03:37:22PM -0400, Chris Shoemaker wrote: > David, > I've had a pretty good look at gnc-tree-view.{ch} and I think > it's fantastic. This is exactly what all the other tree views were > begging for. And the integration with gconf is great. I think it's > going to m

GncTreeView

2005-06-07 Thread Chris Shoemaker
David, I've had a pretty good look at gnc-tree-view.{ch} and I think it's fantastic. This is exactly what all the other tree views were begging for. And the integration with gconf is great. I think it's going to make for nice behavior of treeviews and much cleaner code, too. Min

Re: On Gnucash, G2, and Architecture

2005-06-07 Thread Chris Shoemaker
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 05:49:19PM +0200, Christian Stimming wrote: > Chris Shoemaker schrieb: > >>I agree, but I think it's bad right now that devs aren't concerned > >>about getting g2 out the door. At least it feels to me that you don't > >>care about getting g2 released. Please tell me I'm wr

Re: On Gnucash, G2, and Architecture

2005-06-07 Thread Chris Shoemaker
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 11:39:08AM -0400, Josh Sled wrote: > On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 11:18 -0400, Chris Shoemaker wrote: > > > If it only works as well as 1.x, why are users going to be any more > > pleased with g2 than 1.x? Do you think the average user knows and > > cares what libraries their acc

Re: On Gnucash, G2, and Architecture

2005-06-07 Thread Herbert Thoma
Chris Shoemaker wrote: <...> See, I don't think it's of marginal benefit to get g2 into the hands of the users even if it only works as well as 1.8. Indeed, currently the g2 port does NOT work as well as 1.8! I think just getting it up to 1.8's level is sufficient to make users happy and extend

Re: On Gnucash, G2, and Architecture

2005-06-07 Thread Christian Stimming
Chris Shoemaker schrieb: I agree, but I think it's bad right now that devs aren't concerned about getting g2 out the door. At least it feels to me that you don't care about getting g2 released. Please tell me I'm wrong! But it sounds like you'd rather rebuild working code now than wait until a

Re: On Gnucash, G2, and Architecture

2005-06-07 Thread Dan Widyono
> If it only works as well as 1.x, why are users going to be any more > pleased with g2 than 1.x? Do you think the average user knows and > cares what libraries their acct package uses? No, but they care what libraries are included with their plug-and-play distribution (where said distro's mainta

Re: On Gnucash, G2, and Architecture

2005-06-07 Thread Josh Sled
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 11:18 -0400, Chris Shoemaker wrote: > If it only works as well as 1.x, why are users going to be any more > pleased with g2 than 1.x? Do you think the average user knows and > cares what libraries their acct package uses? No, but they do care that they can package-managemen

Re: On Gnucash, G2, and Architecture

2005-06-07 Thread Chris Shoemaker
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:22:53AM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: > Quoting Josh Sled <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Personally, I'd be willing to forgo all the in-dev code (book-closing, > > lots, budgeting and DB-backend) in order to get the next release out the > > door, in order to unblock starting th

Re: On Gnucash, G2, and Architecture

2005-06-07 Thread Chris Shoemaker
It sounds like we agree there's a problem. But we disagree somewhat on the analysis of the problem, and therefore the solution. On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 09:54:48AM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: > Chris, > > Chris Shoemaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Which do you think is more beneficial to

Re: On Gnucash, G2, and Architecture

2005-06-07 Thread Josh Sled
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 09:54 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: > Then why spend time on it _now_? I'm not saying not to spend time on > it. I'm just saying that it shouldn't be a priority _now_. Help us > get g2 out the door so we can ensure gnucash's survival. _THEN_ feel > free to really start rippi

Re: On Gnucash, G2, and Architecture

2005-06-07 Thread Derek Atkins
Quoting Josh Sled <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Personally, I'd be willing to forgo all the in-dev code (book-closing, > lots, budgeting and DB-backend) in order to get the next release out the > door, in order to unblock starting those other changes. I've already given up on the DB backend for the firs

Re: On Gnucash, G2, and Architecture

2005-06-07 Thread Derek Atkins
Chris, Chris Shoemaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Which do you think is more beneficial to the project in the next six >> months: >> >> a) Taking a piece of code that might be architecturally questionable >>but doesn't crash, doesn't corrupt data, and doesn't cause any >>visual probl