Re: Preserving public keyserver network (Re: Which keyserver)

2020-10-24 Thread Stefan Claas via Gnupg-users
If it is a technical challenge and Kristian as head (pool maintainer), why does he not ask publicity the hockeypuck author, dkg and the sequoia-team, for help? As an example, if I would be Kristian I would do so, set-up with my pool gang a hockeypuck test-net (bootstrapped with a handful of pub

Re: Preserving public keyserver network (Re: Which keyserver)

2020-10-24 Thread Andrew Gallagher
> On 24 Oct 2020, at 10:41, Stefan Claas via Gnupg-users > wrote: > > there can > be no consensus achieved between privacy loving EU citizens and (US > based) SKS operators Most SKS operators are (were?) based outside the US. This is primarily a technical challenge, not a political one. A

Re: Preserving public keyserver network (Re: Which keyserver)

2020-10-24 Thread Stefan Claas via Gnupg-users
I can only speak for myself and see that when it comes to SKS that there can be no consensus achieved between privacy loving EU citizens and (US based) SKS operators, while Mailvelope and Hagrid respect the users wishes. With that being said I am out and better let Mr Barr and Mr de Kerchove

Re: Preserving public keyserver network (Re: Which keyserver)

2020-10-23 Thread Andrew Gallagher
On 23/10/2020 13:23, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > * Hints could take the form of fake preferred-keyserver subpackets, in a > similar manner to fake "fpr:DEADBEEF" user-id packets that have been > previously discussed to support UID-less key refresh on legacy systems > (could both be combined in a

Re: Preserving public keyserver network (Re: Which keyserver)

2020-10-23 Thread Andrew Gallagher
On 23/10/2020 10:14, Bernhard Reiter wrote: > So yes, I also believe that improvements to hockeypuck or a fresh > implementation could step by step get the public keyserver network up again. I've thought about this quite a bit after my previous attempts to reconcile recon with selective

Preserving public keyserver network (Re: Which keyserver)

2020-10-23 Thread Bernhard Reiter
Am Samstag 19 September 2020 23:34:32 schrieb Stefan Claas: > I stand by my points that hockeypuck can solve the issues To me it makes sense to preserve a decentalised network of public keyservers [1]. In my post Preserving non-central and privacy with a "permission recording keyserver"

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-20 Thread MFPA via Gnupg-users
Hi On Sunday 20 September 2020 at 11:29:07 PM, in , Mark wrote:- > I'm the one that asked the original question in > regards to GPG4Win. I > know with the latest version the default is > "hkp://keys.gnupg.net" Thanks, Mark. hkp://keys.gnupg.net is an alias for

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-20 Thread Mark
I'm the one that asked the original question in regards to GPG4Win. I know with the latest version the default is "hkp://keys.gnupg.net" On 9/20/2020 4:58 AM, MFPA via Gnupg-users wrote: > Hi > > > On Saturday 19 September 2020 at 7:34:13 PM, in > , Phil > Pennock via Gnupg-users wrote:- > > >>

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-20 Thread MFPA via Gnupg-users
Hi On Saturday 19 September 2020 at 7:34:13 PM, in , Phil Pennock via Gnupg-users wrote:- > The original question was: > } I use GPG4Win and I've noticed that > "hkp://keys.gnupg.net" is not > so that's what I answered. I asked a different but related question that occurred to me when I

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-19 Thread Neal H. Walfield
Hi Andrew, On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 21:38:22 +0200, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > Hagrid “solves” the vandalism problem by abandoning > decentralisation. This is not strictly true. When we think about updating keys, there are two types of information that can be updated: - Identity Information (User

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-19 Thread Stefan Claas
Andrew Gallagher wrote: > > > On 19 Sep 2020, at 21:06, Stefan Claas wrote: > > > > *With all due respect*, the problems you mention with the SKS protocol is > > IMHO absolutely solvable with hockeypuck if the > > author implements the same Mailvelope or Hagrid confirmation process for > >

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-19 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Stefan Claas wrote in <20200919201736.2...@300baud.de>: |Robert J. Hansen wrote: |>> It is true the attacks were what brought it down, but the amount \ |>> of effort was not a "sustained |>> attack" by any measure. The invested resources are somewhere around \ |>> "couple hours and

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-19 Thread Andrew Gallagher
> On 19 Sep 2020, at 21:06, Stefan Claas wrote: > > *With all due respect*, the problems you mention with the SKS protocol is > IMHO absolutely solvable with hockeypuck if the author > implements the same Mailvelope or Hagrid confirmation process for its users If you have not yet read the

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-19 Thread Stefan Claas
Andrew Gallagher wrote: > > > On 19 Sep 2020, at 20:05, Stefan Claas wrote: > > > > Well, there is IMHO a good replacement for SKS available, called > > hockeypuck and it is written in modern Golang. > > This is beside the point. SKS is both a protocol and an implementation. > Hockeypuck is

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-19 Thread Phil Pennock via Gnupg-users
On 2020-09-19 at 11:44 +0100, MFPA via Gnupg-users wrote: > On Friday 18 September 2020 at 4:32:55 PM, in > , Phil > Pennock via Gnupg-users wrote:- > > > > keys.gnupg.net is a CNAME for > > hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net -- which is > > now returning zero results. > > > The GnuPG manual's

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-19 Thread Andrew Gallagher
> On 19 Sep 2020, at 20:05, Stefan Claas wrote: > > Well, there is IMHO a good replacement for SKS available, called > hockeypuck and it is written in modern Golang. This is beside the point. SKS is both a protocol and an implementation. Hockeypuck is a reimplementation of the same protocol

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-19 Thread Stefan Claas
Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > Stefan Claas wrote in > <20200919201736.2...@300baud.de>: > |Robert J. Hansen wrote: > |>> It is true the attacks were what brought it down, but the amount \ > |>> of effort was not a "sustained > |>> attack" by any measure. The invested resources are somewhere

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-19 Thread Stefan Claas
Robert J. Hansen wrote: > > It is true the attacks were what brought it down, but the amount of effort > > was not a "sustained > > attack" by any measure. The invested resources are somewhere around "couple > > hours and $0.00". > > I'm not sure that's true. [...] I think it does not

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-19 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> It is true the attacks were what brought it down, but the amount of effort > was not a "sustained > attack" by any measure. The invested resources are somewhere around "couple > hours and $0.00". I'm not sure that's true. The keyserver poisoning attack was demonstrated first by EFF's Micah

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-19 Thread MFPA via Gnupg-users
Hi On Friday 18 September 2020 at 4:32:55 PM, in , Phil Pennock via Gnupg-users wrote:- > keys.gnupg.net is a CNAME for > hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net -- which is > now returning zero results. The GnuPG manual's description [0] of the Dirmngr option "--keyserver name" still ends with "If no

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-18 Thread Vincent Breitmoser via Gnupg-users
> keys.gnupg.net is a CNAME for hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net -- which is > now returning zero results. Let me break the prose down into the simple facts: * the "HKPS" pool is no longer actually a "pool". it is a [single server]. * the "HKP" pool still contains a few servers, but using it

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-18 Thread Phil Pennock via Gnupg-users
On 2020-09-18 at 15:04 +0200, accounts-gn...@holbrook.no wrote: > Is it possible to define multiple sources of keys with WKD, for example > with a dns TXT record? The use-case would be if the main server is down, > alternative places to get it. The SRV record approach had to be dropped because

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-18 Thread Mark
Phil, Thanks for the explanation on what was happening. I thought something was just not right as when I hit search it would come back in less than a second with 0 results. It seemed to me that it didn't actually even search through the database. Anyway now that you say there is not really a

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-18 Thread Andreas Mattheiss
Hello, >Is it possible to define multiple sources of keys with WKD, for example >with a dns TXT record? Well, yes, actually. This can be done with both X509 certificates (where it is called SMIMEA) and gpg keys. Obtaining a key basically involves quering the appropriate TYPE in the DNS record

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-18 Thread Phil Pennock via Gnupg-users
On 2020-09-18 at 08:06 -0700, Mark wrote: > I use GPG4Win and I've noticed that "hkp://keys.gnupg.net" is not > working right. I was not getting any hits back when searching with > Kleopatra and then I tried to ping that server which returned host not > found. So I'm also interested if there is a

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-18 Thread Phil Pennock via Gnupg-users
On 2020-09-18 at 10:08 +0200, Franck Routier (perso) wrote: > Le jeudi 17 septembre 2020 à 18:13 -0400, Phil Pennock via Gnupg-users > a écrit : > > If publishing keys, I do recommend setting up WKD for your > > domain, which helps a little. > > What is the status of WKD now, and is it to

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-18 Thread Mark
I use GPG4Win and I've noticed that "hkp://keys.gnupg.net" is not working right. I was not getting any hits back when searching with Kleopatra and then I tried to ping that server which returned host not found.  So I'm also interested if there is a better choice. On 9/17/2020 1:57 PM, Martin

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-18 Thread accounts-gnupg
I wasn't aware of WKD, thanks for the heads up. Is it possible to define multiple sources of keys with WKD, for example with a dns TXT record? The use-case would be if the main server is down, alternative places to get it. On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 12:55:45PM +0200, Vincent Breitmoser via

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-18 Thread Vincent Breitmoser via Gnupg-users
> What is the status of WKD now, and is it to superseed centralized key > servers ? Not for folks who have their email address at the domain of an email provider, or an organization that doesn't support WKD. So statistically, everyone but a rounding error. That said, for folks who run their

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-18 Thread Franck Routier (perso)
Le jeudi 17 septembre 2020 à 18:13 -0400, Phil Pennock via Gnupg-users a écrit : > If publishing keys, I do recommend setting up WKD for your > domain, which helps a little. What is the status of WKD now, and is it to superseed centralized key servers ? Franck

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-17 Thread Phil Pennock via Gnupg-users
On 2020-09-17 at 22:57 +0200, Martin wrote: > Which keyserver do you recommend these days? For what purpose? For receiving updates to previously known keys, of people who care enough about their keys to distribute their keys across multiple keyservers instead of just going "I pushed it to the

Re: Which keyserver

2020-09-17 Thread Stefan Claas
Martin wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi list > > Which keyserver do you recommend these days? > > I have hkps://keys.openpgp.org in gpg.conf - but it seems that there > are missing a lot of public keys on this server. Hi, good question ... I like