What are some threats against which OpenPGP smartcards are useful?

2020-01-07 Thread Christoph Groth
Hello, Through an article [1] in LWN, I stumbled across a thread [2] on this list that dealt with the usefulness of smartcards for storing OpenPGP keys. I understand that OpenPGP smartcards do not protect from a compromise of the computer system that they are used with. As Peter Lebbing puts it

Re: What are some threats against which OpenPGP smartcards are useful?

2020-01-07 Thread Wiktor Kwapisiewicz via Gnupg-users
Hi Christoph, There is one feature of smartcards that's hard to reproduce otherwise: once you pull the smartcard out of the port the attacker can't use it. If they steal your private keys they can do as they please with it (until you revoke keys and users refresh your key... that can take some

Re: What are some threats against which OpenPGP smartcards are useful?

2020-01-07 Thread Andrew Gallagher
On 07/01/2020 13:09, Wiktor Kwapisiewicz via Gnupg-users wrote: > These two things are really useful when using the same token on multiple > devices (e.g. I use the same card on my laptop and phone). This is also a very good argument for smartcards - transferring a private key between devices is e

Re: What are some threats against which OpenPGP smartcards are useful?

2020-01-07 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 2020-01-06 18:26, Christoph Groth wrote: Robert J. Hansen justifies [4] his use of a smartcard as follows: Why don't I want to store the private key on multiple computers? Because a good rule of thumb in a forensics lab is "store the minimum personal data possible on your systems". But the

Re: What are some threats against which OpenPGP smartcards are useful?

2020-01-07 Thread Robert J. Hansen
Few of them will have a 128-bit secure passphrase like RJH. :-) Dude, the lab I worked in *required* me to use 128-bit secure passphrases. It was *awful*. And a 180-day change policy. But the good news is that once you prove to yourself you can do that, the idea of keeping a 128-bit passph

Re: What are some threats against which OpenPGP smartcards are useful?

2020-01-07 Thread Mike Gerwitz
On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 00:26:14 +0100, Christoph Groth wrote: > Through an article [1] in LWN, I stumbled across a thread [2] on this > list that dealt with the usefulness of smartcards for storing > OpenPGP keys. I don't have time to read what I already wrote in that thread, so I'm sorry if I re

Re: What are some threats against which OpenPGP smartcards are useful?

2020-01-07 Thread Mike Gerwitz
On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 14:09:50 +0100, Wiktor Kwapisiewicz via Gnupg-users wrote: > Additionally smartcards require PINs and lock the card after several > tries. This is not possible with keys on USB drives. PINs can also be changed confidently. The passphrase of the _copy_ of a key on disk can

Re: What are some threats against which OpenPGP smartcards are useful?

2020-01-08 Thread Christoph Groth
Robert J. Hansen wrote: > On 2020-01-06 18:26, Christoph Groth wrote: > > > > But then he also mentions his 128-bit passphrase and that he would > > be OK to publish his (passphrase-protected) private key in > > a newspaper. Why then not store it on the disks of multiple > > computers? > > Hint:

Re: What are some threats against which OpenPGP smartcards are useful?

2020-01-08 Thread Christoph Groth
Wiktor Kwapisiewicz wrote: > There is one feature of smartcards that's hard to reproduce otherwise: > once you pull the smartcard out of the port the attacker can't use it. > > (...) Thanks, that’s a good point! So if one’s concern is signing or authentication, this is indeed useful. However,

Re: What are some threats against which OpenPGP smartcards are useful?

2020-01-08 Thread Andrew Gallagher
On 07/01/2020 22:58, Christoph Groth wrote: > How about the alternative of keeping small USB keycards (like a Yubikey > nano) permanently plugged into the machines that you are using? > Assuming that you trust the keycards to keep their secrets, wouldn’t > that provide at least the advantage of a m

Re: What are some threats against which OpenPGP smartcards are useful?

2020-01-08 Thread Andrew Gallagher
On 2020/01/08 17:29, Franck Routier (perso) wrote: > Notice that some features, like the metal contact toggle on some yubikey > can mitigate the problem of having an attacker with full local access. > You then have to touch the key each time you want to use it, so > illegitimate access would be not

Re: What are some threats against which OpenPGP smartcards are useful?

2020-01-08 Thread Franck Routier (perso)
Notice that some features, like the metal contact toggle on some yubikey can mitigate the problem of having an attacker with full local access. You then have to touch the key each time you want to use it, so illegitimate access would be noticed. Le 8 janvier 2020 13:51:58 GMT+01:00, Andrew Gall

Re: What are some threats against which OpenPGP smartcards are useful?

2020-01-08 Thread Franck Routier (perso)
I think this can be configured: ykman openpgp touch enc on ykman openpgp touch sig on Franck Le 8 janvier 2020 18:35:20 GMT+01:00, Andrew Gallagher a écrit : >On 2020/01/08 17:29, Franck Routier (perso) wrote: >> Notice that some features, like the metal contact toggle on some >yubikey >> can

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2020-01-07 Thread Andrew Gallagher
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