Off to FOSDEM

2009-02-04 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
I'll be leaving for FOSDEM tomorrow morning and won't be home again until Monday evening. My availability on email over that period will be very patchy. Hope to see a few of you there. ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu

Re: Off to FOSDEM

2009-02-04 Thread Gregory John Casamento
Have a safe trip. Gregory Casamento -- Principal Consultant - OLC, Inc # GNUstep Chief Maintainer From: Richard Frith-Macdonald To: Developer GNUstep Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 12:23:30 PM Subject: Off to FOSDEM I'll be leaving for FOSDEM tomorrow m

Re: Off to FOSDEM

2009-02-04 Thread Nicolas Roard
Hi, On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote: > I'll be leaving for FOSDEM tomorrow morning and won't be home again until > Monday evening. > My availability on email over that period will be very patchy. > Hope to see a few of you there. Well on my side, it looks I may only

Allowing Applications to continue after exception...

2009-02-04 Thread Gregory Casamento
In some cases on Mac OS X I have observed that exceptions which are not fatal on Mac sometimes ARE fatal on GNUstep. I believe we should change the logic which deals with exceptions to add a "continue" button and only show the panel when the application is running in debug mode. This would allo

Re: Allowing Applications to continue after exception...

2009-02-04 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 4 Feb 2009, at 18:53, Gregory Casamento wrote: In some cases on Mac OS X I have observed that exceptions which are not fatal on Mac sometimes ARE fatal on GNUstep. I believe we should change the logic which deals with exceptions to add a "continue" button and only show the panel when

Re: Allowing Applications to continue after exception...

2009-02-04 Thread Matt Rice
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote: > > On 4 Feb 2009, at 18:53, Gregory Casamento wrote: > >> In some cases on Mac OS X I have observed that exceptions which are not >> fatal on Mac sometimes ARE fatal on GNUstep. I believe we should change >> the logic which deals w

Re: Allowing Applications to continue after exception...

2009-02-04 Thread Gregory Casamento
This is what I was thinking... the reason I'm thinking about this is because I am working on porting a few apps and exception which show up in the log on Mac OS X cause GNUstep to die. GC On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Matt Rice wrote: > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Richard Frith-Macdonald

Re: Allowing Applications to continue after exception...

2009-02-04 Thread David Chisnall
On 4 Feb 2009, at 18:53, Gregory Casamento wrote: In some cases on Mac OS X I have observed that exceptions which are not fatal on Mac sometimes ARE fatal on GNUstep. I believe we should change the logic which deals with exceptions to add a "continue" button and only show the panel when t

Re: Allowing Applications to continue after exception...

2009-02-04 Thread Gregory Casamento
I definitely think we should implement something similar. It would help a great deal with some porting efforts. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:03 PM, David Chisnall wrote: > On 4 Feb 2009, at 18:53, Gregory Casamento wrote: > > In some cases on Mac OS X I have observed that exceptions which are not

Re: Allowing Applications to continue after exception...

2009-02-04 Thread Adam Fedor
On Feb 4, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Gregory Casamento wrote: I definitely think we should implement something similar. It would help a great deal with some porting efforts. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:03 PM, David Chisnall wrote: On 4 Feb 2009, at 18:53, Gregory Casamento wrote: In some cases on

Re: Allowing Applications to continue after exception...

2009-02-04 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 4 Feb 2009, at 20:23, Gregory Casamento wrote: I definitely think we should implement something similar. It would help a great deal with some porting efforts. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:03 PM, David Chisnall wrote: On 4 Feb 2009, at 18:53, Gregory Casamento wrote: In some cases on Ma

Re: Allowing Applications to continue after exception...

2009-02-04 Thread David Ayers
Am Mittwoch, den 04.02.2009, 23:52 -0500 schrieb Gregory Casamento: > The attached test program does not crash on Mac OS X when the button > is pressed, but does crash on GNUstep. The button calls the "action:" > method in Controller which immediately throws an exception. > > I believe this confi

Re: Allowing Applications to continue after exception...

2009-02-04 Thread Gregory John Casamento
David, Simply because an exception is thrown and not caught does not necessarily mean that the application is in an unknown state. Indeed some applications may have come to rely on this behavior and it makes it very difficult to port applications which do this without refactoring. As far as be

Re: Allowing Applications to continue after exception...

2009-02-04 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 5 Feb 2009, at 05:50, David Ayers wrote: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2004-10/ msg00092.html I still believe that handling generic handling of exceptions in the runloop is a dangerously wrong and an implementation detail that we shouldn't try to be compatible with. B

Re: Allowing Applications to continue after exception...

2009-02-04 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 5 Feb 2009, at 06:15, Gregory John Casamento wrote: David, Simply because an exception is thrown and not caught does not necessarily mean that the application is in an unknown state. That really depends on your use of the work 'unknown'. Obviously if I've planned it, or if I catch it

Re: Allowing Applications to continue after exception...

2009-02-04 Thread Gregory John Casamento
Richard, "True. Such applications are fundamentally badly designed/buggy, but it generally doesn't win you any friends to say so." That could be true, but I don't believe, however, that GNUstep should fail where Cocoa recovers. The fact of the matter is that differences like this fundamenta

Re: Allowing Applications to continue after exception...

2009-02-04 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 5 Feb 2009, at 07:23, Gregory John Casamento wrote: Richard, "True. Such applications are fundamentally badly designed/buggy, but it generally doesn't win you any friends to say so." That could be true, but I don't believe, however, that GNUstep should fail where Cocoa recovers. I'

Re: Allowing Applications to continue after exception...

2009-02-04 Thread Matt Rice
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:50 PM, David Ayers wrote: > Am Mittwoch, den 04.02.2009, 23:52 -0500 schrieb Gregory Casamento: >> The attached test program does not crash on Mac OS X when the button >> is pressed, but does crash on GNUstep. The button calls the "action:" >> method in Controller which i