RMS has offered to put something on the gnu.org home page about
GNUstep. Any ideas what we should say or ask for? I had mentioned that
we are trying to organize a desktop.
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On Sunday 10 September 2006 00:21, Adam Fedor wrote:
> RMS has offered to put something on the gnu.org home page about
> GNUstep. Any ideas what we should say or ask for? I had mentioned that
> we are trying to organize a desktop.
Honestly, I'd ask him to save the offer for maybe another few year
Adam,
Is it an ad for new developers or an ad urging end-users to try GNUstep?
Later, GJC
--Gregory Casamento
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From: Adam Fedor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Developer GNUstep
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 12:21:32 AM
Subject: Advertisement for gnustep
R
On 2006-09-10 07:30:15 +0200 Patrick McFarland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On Sunday 10 September 2006 00:21, Adam Fedor wrote:
RMS has offered to put something on the gnu.org home page about
GNUstep. Any ideas what we should say or ask for? I had mentioned
that
we are trying to organize a des
On Sunday 10 September 2006 00:21, Adam Fedor wrote:
>> RMS has offered to put something on the gnu.org home page about
>> GNUstep. Any ideas what we should say or ask for? I had mentioned that
>> we are trying to organize a desktop.
>
> Honestly, I'd ask him to save the offer for maybe another f
On 10.09.2006, at 13:03, Nicola Pero wrote:
Can we advertise ObjC + GNUstep as a 'truly free' replacement for
Java ?
That would be fun. ;-)
Not really, since you can perfectly develop highly complex multi-
platform GUI apps in Java, whereas this is far from realistic with
GNUstep, I am
On 2006-09-10 14:33:22 +0200 Philippe C.D. Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally I would integrate Etoilé into GNUstep (granted the authors
> agree), update the GNUstep website to reflect this new "GNUstep paradigm"
> ("GNUstep" being a GNU desktop for X11 based Unices) and then adve
> > Can we advertise ObjC + GNUstep as a 'truly free' replacement for Java ?
> > That would be fun. ;-)
> Not really, since you can perfectly develop highly complex multi-
> platform GUI apps in Java, whereas this is far from realistic with
> GNUstep, I am afraid.
Good point ... I'm afraid I wa
On Sep 10, 2006, at 18:19, Nicola Pero wrote:
Good point ... I'm afraid I was thinking of the "server-side"
Java. ;-)
I mean, you know all those "enterprise applications" that have no
GUI --
or that have a web interface as the user interface. :-)
Well, for the advertisement. What would yo
On 10.09.2006, at 21:34, Helge Hess wrote:
On Sep 10, 2006, at 18:19, Nicola Pero wrote:
Good point ... I'm afraid I was thinking of the "server-side"
Java. ;-)
I mean, you know all those "enterprise applications" that have no
GUI --
or that have a web interface as the user interface. :-
Hi,
i'm new to GNUstep, i know OpenStep using osx.
I also trying to use the Hurd, but ...
However, i believe that OpenStep is the best interface/specification
to use a modern OS, using Objective-C (the best language). ...(a lot
of advertisement from OpenStep. DPS ...)
But GNUstep is not only t
On Sep 10, 2006, at 22:00, Philippe C.D. Robert wrote:
Well, for the advertisement. What would you say, _why_ is GNUstep
good for that? :-)
Eg Ruby tries to get into that market by allowing the user to
contruct flashy web 2.0 apps in a few minutes (and they do not
seem to succeed). Do we h
On Sep 9, 2006, at 11:49 PM, Gregory John Casamento wrote:
Adam,
Is it an ad for new developers or an ad urging end-users to try
GNUstep?
It's more of an add to get more help, but I think getting more users
would provide the same benefit.
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Adam Fedor wrote:
On Sep 9, 2006, at 11:49 PM, Gregory John Casamento wrote:
Adam,
Is it an ad for new developers or an ad urging end-users to try GNUstep?
It's more of an add to get more help, but I think getting more users
would provide the same benefit.
Maybe the best way to promote t
Am 10.09.2006 um 22:00 schrieb Philippe C.D. Robert:
[...] to focus on the desktop paradigm for X11 based Unices.
Good for advertisement as long as you leave out the emphasis on
"X11" ... there's a Cairo backend already and an X11 requirement
would be a showstopper for many Mac developers
On 10.09.2006, at 22:43, Helge Hess wrote:
On Sep 10, 2006, at 22:00, Philippe C.D. Robert wrote:
Well, for the advertisement. What would you say, _why_ is GNUstep
good for that? :-)
Eg Ruby tries to get into that market by allowing the user to
contruct flashy web 2.0 apps in a few minutes
Am 11.09.2006 um 05:00 schrieb Adam Fedor:
On Sep 9, 2006, at 11:49 PM, Gregory John Casamento wrote:
Adam,
Is it an ad for new developers or an ad urging end-users to try
GNUstep?
It's more of an add to get more help, but I think getting more
users would provide the same benefit.
O
On 11 Sep 2006, at 20:07, Philippe C.D. Robert wrote:
On 10.09.2006, at 22:43, Helge Hess wrote:
On Sep 10, 2006, at 22:00, Philippe C.D. Robert wrote:
Well, for the advertisement. What would you say, _why_ is
GNUstep good for that? :-)
Eg Ruby tries to get into that market by allowing the
On Sep 11, 2006, at 21:07, Philippe C.D. Robert wrote:
Well, maybe was the phrasing slightly suboptimal, but not the
message behind it ... ;-) Besides, we don't have a desktop (yet)
and never will because some project members don't want GNUstep to
become a desktop in the first place.
I did
Hey,
On Sunday, September 10, 2006, at 02:33 PM, Philippe C.D. Robert wrote:
Personally I would integrate Etoilé into GNUstep (granted the authors
agree), update the GNUstep website to reflect this new "GNUstep
paradigm" ("GNUstep" being a GNU desktop for X11 based Unices) and
then advert
> Well, maybe was the phrasing slightly suboptimal, but not the message
> behind it ... ;-) Besides, we don't have a desktop (yet) and never
> will because some project members don't want GNUstep to become a
> desktop in the first place. This is legitimate, but I am convinced
> this has negative i
On 11.09.2006, at 22:06, Helge Hess wrote:
On Sep 11, 2006, at 21:07, Philippe C.D. Robert wrote:
Well, maybe was the phrasing slightly suboptimal, but not the
message behind it ... ;-) Besides, we don't have a desktop (yet)
and never will because some project members don't want GNUstep to
On 11.09.2006, at 21:44, Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote:
Well, maybe was the phrasing slightly suboptimal, but not the
message behind it ... ;-) Besides, we don't have a desktop (yet)
and never will because some project members don't want GNUstep to
become a desktop in the first place. This i
Nicola Pero wrote:
Well, maybe was the phrasing slightly suboptimal, but not the message
behind it ... ;-) Besides, we don't have a desktop (yet) and never
will because some project members don't want GNUstep to become a
desktop in the first place. This is legitimate, but I am convinced
this has
On 2006-09-12 13:38:40 +0200 Gürkan Sengün <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Indeed, especially if it looks like something I am used to, say
> NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP, Windows or Mac OS X. Please pretty please,
> don't make new themes, new looks, another "we are gnome, we
> are cool", "we are KDE, we are new"
Chris Vetter wrote:
On 2006-09-12 13:38:40 +0200 Gürkan Sengün <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Indeed, especially if it looks like something I am used to, say
NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP, Windows or Mac OS X. Please pretty please,
don't make new themes, new looks, another "we are gnome, we
are cool", "we are
On Sep 12, 2006, at 13:38, Gürkan Sengün wrote:
Please pretty please,
don't make new themes, new looks, another "we are gnome, we
are cool", "we are KDE, we are new", "whatever new thing
that is just ugly".
As mentioned by Chris this is indeed a major selling point of GNOME
and KDE, they look
В Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:30:14 +0200, Chris Vetter написа:
> however, you *should* keep in mind that originally GNUstep was
> supposed to be the development (and desktop?) environment of choice
> for the GNU operating system...
This is still more or less true -- with GNOME being steadily absorbed
by
On Sep 12, 2006, at 7:49 AM, Yavor Doganov wrote:
I suspect this "ad" is for the "Take Action" section, so how about
something like this:
,
| Please contribute as user and developer to GNUstep[link], a free
| object-oriented framework for application development, and help it
| achieve the s
O.k. then we should try to get developers who have both Windows and
Unix experience to advance the Windows port of gnustep (esp. GNUstep
GUI) IMHO. From what I have perceived from the mailing lists it's
that kind of people we lack most.
I'm very interested on helping with the windows po
I happen to think that's completely wrong ... as I don't know of
anyone who doesn't want GNUstep to become a desktop (in the sense of
being opposed to it), and even if some people were opposed to it that
doesn't mean they would be able to prevent it ... as there are
certainly no such pe
Am 12.09.2006 um 15:49 schrieb Yavor Doganov:
В Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:30:14 +0200, Chris Vetter написа:
however, you *should* keep in mind that originally GNUstep was
supposed to be the development (and desktop?) environment of choice
for the GNU operating system...
This is still more or less
Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote:
This is ideological thinking.
Free software is extremely ideological, political and social by
nature. The ultimate goal of the GNU Project is to change the
society.
But if you want to achieve an objective
in practice you'll have to think practically and do
On 12.09.2006, at 23:22, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote:
however, you *should* keep in mind that originally GNUstep was
supposed to be the development (and desktop?) environment of choice
for the GNU operating system...
This is still more or less true -- with GNOME being steadily absorbed
by
On Sep 13, 2006, at 24:19, Yavor Doganov wrote:
And as a surplus we also would get some more apps for GNUstep
(even if some of those would be commercial ones).
Free commercial apps are welcome, but not proprietary ones.
Obviously this is non-sense. If proprietary apps wouldn't be welcome,
>>> ,
>>> | Please contribute as user and developer to GNUstep[link], a free
>>> | object-oriented framework for application development, and help it
>>> | achieve the status of a complete and featured desktop environment.
>>> `
>>
>> Just good will and appealing to it alone is not enough.
Am 13.09.2006 um 01:12 schrieb Philippe C.D. Robert:
The GNU project *is* about ideological thinking, at least to some
degree. Don't forget, you would not be able to use any GNU software
if everything was only about commercial success and "practical
things". I seriously question that GNU
Helge Hess wrote:
Free commercial apps are welcome, but not proprietary ones.
Obviously this is non-sense. If proprietary apps wouldn't be welcome,
GNUstep would be
GPL, not LGPL. GNUstep is LGPL to explicitly allow for that.
Let me rephrase it: the fact that the core GNU libraries are un
Am 13.09.2006 um 02:22 schrieb Nicola Pero:
Just good will and appealing to it alone is not enough. Thats maybe
makes you feel better but you won't reach a single target that way.
Well, it will draw attention, at least. A lot of people will examine
the website and some of them might find the
Is there any development regarding this?
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Adam Fedor wrote:
>
> Last I heard, I had given RMS what we wanted to say and he said he
> would get some one to put it on the web site. But then I forgot about
> it and I've lost the email from him. Perhaps I should follow up.
I spoke with John Sullivan and he confirmed that he was supposed to
Last I heard, I had given RMS what we wanted to say and he said he
would get some one to put it on the web site. But then I forgot about
it and I've lost the email from him. Perhaps I should follow up.
On Oct 20, 2006, at 6:18 AM, Yavor Doganov wrote:
Is there any development regarding this?
On Oct 20, 2006, at 3:13 PM, Yavor Doganov wrote:
I spoke with John Sullivan and he confirmed that he was supposed to do
this, but was overloaded with other work. I committed the change
(should appear in half an hour or so), but following his advice, I had
to shorten the text a bit on the home
On 9/10/06, Nicola Pero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Can we advertise ObjC + GNUstep as a 'truly free' replacement for Java ?
> > That would be fun. ;-)
> Not really, since you can perfectly develop highly complex multi-
> platform GUI apps in Java, whereas this is far from realistic with
>
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