Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-25 Thread Alex Perez
Dennis Leeuw wrote: Hi Gregory, To get to 1.0 I think a roadmap is needed. Looking at: http://savannah.gnu.org/task/?group_id=99 Maybe someone should define which one of those tasks needs to be completed before GNUstep can be 1.0. And those points should be made more visible on the website, a

Re: Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-25 Thread Gregory John Casamento
Alex, --- Alex Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dennis Leeuw wrote: > > Hi Gregory, > > (( SNIP )) > > > > I agree with you that the OpenStep spec should not be leading anymore. I > > think GNUstep already has out grown the spec. It should now stand on its > > own feet, with own ideas and a

Re: Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-25 Thread Nicola Pero
> Yes, and frankly this is a perfect opportunity to state that rule by > unanimous or even near-unanimous consent is simply not a viable nor > sustainable. People disagree. One cannot make everyone happy, nor should > they try to in all instances. Currently, I feel the GNUstep project is > try

Re: Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-25 Thread Alex Perez
Nicola Pero wrote: Yes, and frankly this is a perfect opportunity to state that rule by unanimous or even near-unanimous consent is simply not a viable nor sustainable. People disagree. One cannot make everyone happy, nor should they try to in all instances. Currently, I feel the GNUstep projec

Re: Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-25 Thread Andrew Ruder
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 04:33:37AM +0100, Nicola Pero wrote: > I'm sure a great flame-fest will follow, please excuse me if I'll drop out > of this thread at this point. ;-) Actually, this is exactly the problem. This is how proposing something on the GNUstep lists works: 1. Email the list. 2. G

Re: Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-25 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
Alright, let's stop arguing (which doesn't lead anywhere) and starting holes in the air, but let's instead start some heavy-weight brain-storming for ideas on how to implement the problems at hand. From the dicussions before we already know that: - GNUstep needs somewhat tighter management of it'

Re: Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-26 Thread Dennis Leeuw
Sašo Kiselkov wrote: Alright, let's stop arguing (which doesn't lead anywhere) and starting holes in the air, but let's instead start some heavy-weight brain-storming for ideas on how to implement the problems at hand. From the dicussions before we already know that: - GNUstep needs somewhat ti

Re: Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-26 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 2005-10-26 04:58:54 +0100 Andrew Ruder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. Email the list. > 2. Get some decent replies, including some sensible ones from core >developers and the like. > 3. Crap ensues. Cover your head, it is coming down fast now! > 4. Anybody with any say over the original p

Re: Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-26 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 2005-10-26 08:49:52 +0100 Dennis Leeuw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sašo Kiselkov wrote: >> Alright, let's stop arguing (which doesn't lead anywhere) and starting >> holes in >> the air, but let's instead start some heavy-weight brain-storming for ideas >> on >> how to implement the problems

Re: Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-26 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 2005-10-26 08:49:52 +0100 Dennis Leeuw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it is a clear goal. Something we can all agree on, I don't think there isn't anybody who doesn't want GNUstep to become 1.0. We just need a list of things to be done and a timeframe. Personally I see three, largely i

Re: Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-26 Thread Dennis Leeuw
Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote: On 2005-10-26 08:49:52 +0100 Dennis Leeuw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sašo Kiselkov wrote: Alright, let's stop arguing (which doesn't lead anywhere) and starting holes in the air, but let's instead start some heavy-weight brain-storming for ideas on how to impl

Re: Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-26 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 2005-10-26 11:05:05 +0100 Dennis Leeuw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not sure wiki is best for tasks ... how about defining tasks in the GNUstep project task manager? We (well, Adam) could set up a new task category for 1.0 release. That would be cool. Is that related to the progress page? Si

Re: Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-26 Thread Nicola Pero
> Actually, this is exactly the problem. This is how proposing something > on the GNUstep lists works: > > 1. Email the list. > 2. Get some decent replies, including some sensible ones from core >developers and the like. > 3. Crap ensues. Cover your head, it is coming down fast now! > 4. An