Re: Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-26 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
Alright, let's stop arguing (which doesn't lead anywhere) and starting holes in the air, but let's instead start some heavy-weight brain-storming for ideas on how to implement the problems at hand. From the dicussions before we already know that: - GNUstep needs somewhat tighter management of

Re: Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-26 Thread Richard Frith-Macdonald
On 2005-10-26 08:49:52 +0100 Dennis Leeuw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is a clear goal. Something we can all agree on, I don't think there isn't anybody who doesn't want GNUstep to become 1.0. We just need a list of things to be done and a timeframe. Personally I see three, largely

Re: Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-26 Thread Dennis Leeuw
Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote: On 2005-10-26 08:49:52 +0100 Dennis Leeuw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sašo Kiselkov wrote: Alright, let's stop arguing (which doesn't lead anywhere) and starting holes in the air, but let's instead start some heavy-weight brain-storming for ideas on how to

Re: why do we need change?

2005-10-25 Thread Dennis Leeuw
Hi Gregory, To get to 1.0 I think a roadmap is needed. Looking at: http://savannah.gnu.org/task/?group_id=99 Maybe someone should define which one of those tasks needs to be completed before GNUstep can be 1.0. And those points should be made more visible on the website, as to get peoples

Re: why do we need change?

2005-10-25 Thread Gregory John Casamento
Riccardo, --- Riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, They want themeability and they want the freedom to endlessly customize thier desktop. This is something that people have been able to do on Windows for years. well.. this is also a risk of making things complex. Once I was a

Re: why do we need change?

2005-10-25 Thread Adrian Robert
On Oct 25, 2005, at 7:28 AM, Dennis Leeuw wrote: To get to 1.0 I think a roadmap is needed. Looking at: http://savannah.gnu.org/task/?group_id=99 Maybe someone should define which one of those tasks needs to be completed before GNUstep can be 1.0. And those points should be made more

Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-25 Thread Alex Perez
Dennis Leeuw wrote: Hi Gregory, To get to 1.0 I think a roadmap is needed. Looking at: http://savannah.gnu.org/task/?group_id=99 Maybe someone should define which one of those tasks needs to be completed before GNUstep can be 1.0. And those points should be made more visible on the website,

Re: Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work (Was: Re: why do we need change?)

2005-10-25 Thread Nicola Pero
Yes, and frankly this is a perfect opportunity to state that rule by unanimous or even near-unanimous consent is simply not a viable nor sustainable. People disagree. One cannot make everyone happy, nor should they try to in all instances. Currently, I feel the GNUstep project is trying

why do we need change?

2005-10-24 Thread Riccardo
Hello, I will put my thoughts down very bluntly thus try to get the meaning and don't stop too much on the form. My question is essentially... why do we need a change in gnustep? The pope recently said continuous change is evil. ANd I agree, it is one of the things that in computing is

Re: why do we need change?

2005-10-24 Thread Gregory John Casamento
Riccardo, --- Riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I will put my thoughts down very bluntly thus try to get the meaning and don't stop too much on the form. My question is essentially... why do we need a change in gnustep? We need change in GNUstep to make it more palatable to a