[GOAL] Re: Titanium Killer Apps and OA

2011-12-23 Thread Arthur Sale
My apologies to you, Stevan, for appearing to ignore you, and the list, since Monday. The trouble was that when my old email address was edited to the one I use mostly now, the new address was mangled, and as a result I got no posts from GOAL. It was only when I tried to post a second time that th

[GOAL] Re: Titanium Killer Apps and OA

2011-12-23 Thread Stevan Harnad
Arthur Sale wrote: IS THE TITANIUM ROAD A TECHNOLOGICALLY SUPERCHARGED GREEN ROAD?    Well, if you want to play on words, you can think of it that way. I won’t. But you had better start thinking of the Gold Road as an ultimate commercial version of the Green Road

[GOAL] The Titanium Road response

2011-12-23 Thread Arthur Sale
[ARTHUR] It seems that I am back on-list again, so here is a response to another chunk of Stevan’s response. I find it interesting to argue with Stevan, because we are both on the same side of wanting OA as soon as possible and believing it is well overdue. If I can characterise the debate, Ste

[GOAL] Belgium: Funder's Green OA mandate for 2013

2011-12-23 Thread brentier
It is my pleasure to announce that the Board of Administrators of the FRS-FNRS (Fund for Scientific Research in French-speaking Belgium) has officially decided to use exclusively Institutional Repositories as sources of bibliographic data in support of grant or fellowship submission (except for

[GOAL] Re: Belgium: Funder's Green OA mandate for 2013

2011-12-23 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 1:46 AM, wrote: It is my pleasure to announce that the Board of Administrators of the FRS-FNRS (Fund for Scientific Research in French-speaking Belgium) has officially decided to use exclusively Institutional Repositories as sources of bibliographic

[GOAL] Re: The Titanium Road response

2011-12-23 Thread Stevan Harnad
For the perplexed reader who wonders what on earth two OA advocates -- long on the same team, and still on the same team -- are disagreeing about: it's just about where the time and effort of OA advocates is best invested.  I am for redoubling efforts to persuade institutions and funders to adopt

[GOAL] Re: Titanium Killer Apps and OA

2011-12-23 Thread Arthur Sale
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[GOAL] Re: Titanium Killer Apps and OA

2011-12-23 Thread Stevan Harnad
at promoting the adoption of Green OA mandates (because I do not believe any form of voluntarism will get us to 100% OA anywhere near as quickly and surely as mandates). Stevan Harnad -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/attachments/20111223/b940eb43/attachment.html

[GOAL] The Titanium Road response

2011-12-23 Thread Arthur Sale
to use an indicator of what the Titanium app will be. [ARTHUR] I'll stop here because this is already far too long. The rest of the harangue can wait for another day. I've got halfway through, and it is tiring to find the flaws in each argument. Keystrokes are not the issue. This argument does not take OA forward. Best wishes Arthur Sale University of Tasmania, Australia -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/attachments/20111223/fd49fadb/attachment-0001.html

[GOAL] Belgium: Funder's Green OA mandate for 2013

2011-12-23 Thread brent...@ulg.ac.be
It is my pleasure to announce that the Board of Administrators of the FRS-FNRS (Fund for Scientific Research in French-speaking Belgium) has officially decided to use exclusively Institutional Repositories as sources of bibliographic data in support of grant or fellowship submission (except for

[GOAL] Re: Belgium: Funder's Green OA mandate for 2013

2011-12-23 Thread Stevan Harnad
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[GOAL] Re: The Titanium Road response

2011-12-23 Thread Stevan Harnad
at depositing is*** > * > > "natural." > > ** ** > > But the real reason for the success is that it is mandatory (in both > cases). > > ** ** > > The Titanium Technology may prove quite natural to use, but to get everyone > > > to use it, you would have to mandate it. That's certainly not in the cards. > > > But mandating deposit is. > > ** ** > > [ARTHUR] Again, you miss the point, Stevan. Sure ETD deposits are > mandated. But the mandate is easy to get. The students don?t complain > because it is natural. The executive agree because it is natural. > > ** ** > > [ARTHUR] I could argue that it would be as easy to get a key executive to > ?mandate? the provision of a free Titanium Road licence to every > researcher. No resistance, easy agreement. But I don?t think that is > necessary. Mendeley is free, to use an indicator of what the Titanium app > will be. > > ** ** > > [ARTHUR] I?ll stop here because this is already far too long. The rest of > the harangue can wait for another day. I?ve got halfway through, and it is > tiring to find the flaws in each argument. Keystrokes are not the issue. > This argument does not take OA forward. > > ** ** > > Best wishes > > ** ** > > Arthur Sale > > University of Tasmania, Australia > > ** ** > > ___ > GOAL mailing list > GOAL at eprints.org > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/attachments/20111223/23d61605/attachment-0001.html