[GOAL] Re: Springer for sale - implications for open access?

2012-10-11 Thread Heather Morrison
On 10-Oct-12, at 2:58 PM, David Prosser wrote: ...The simple fact is that the Springer OA articles published to date will remain OA whoever purchases the company Comment: This sounds very reassuring. However, I argue that this is not a simple fact at all. Please explain how this work and how

[GOAL] Re: Springer for sale - implications for open access?

2012-10-11 Thread Jan Velterop
Heather, 1) Open access licences — of any kind, including all the CC-licences, not just CC-BY — cannot be revoked. Only replaced, by the licensor (the © holder), by a more liberal one. E.g. CC-BY-NC licences by CC-BY ones. Springer, or its successors and assigns, will not be able to make OA art

[GOAL] Re: Springer for sale - implications for open access?

2012-10-11 Thread David Prosser
From the Springer website (http://www.springeropen.com/about): SpringerOpen supports several international archives and digital repositories, and encourages self-archiving by authors All research articles published in a SpringerOpen journal are archived without delay in several international arc

[GOAL] Re: On the proposal to raise the Green OA goalpost fromGratis to CC-BY

2012-10-11 Thread Jan Velterop
On 10 Oct 2012, at 22:27, Peter Murray-Rust wrote: > > Let's hypothesize that we could achieve 80% green (visible Green, not hidden > AlmostVisible) in 7 years' time. (I think that's optimistic). Are we then > "allowed" to initiate a CC-BY activity? And by that time the nature of > publication

[GOAL] Re: RE : Re: RE : Re: On the proposal to raise the Green OA goalpost fromGratis to CC-BY

2012-10-11 Thread Frederick Friend
Jean-Claude’s approach is very sensible, and very much in the interests of OA. The gratis/libre distinction is valuable but it should not become a fundamental disagreement between OA supporters of good will. Those who need OA content will be the losers if we take too dogmatic an approach to such

[GOAL] Re: On the proposal to raise the Green OA goalpost fromGratis to CC-BY

2012-10-11 Thread Jan Velterop
I agree that portraying 'green' OA as not providing 'real' OA is to be avoided. "Real OA" has become a wholly meaningless term, due to the proliferation of different perceptions that has taken place, unintentionally or deliberately. Instead, using the unambiguous "BOAI-compliant OA" is to be rec

[GOAL] Re: On the proposal to raise the Green OA goalpost from Gratis to CC-BY

2012-10-11 Thread Stevan Harnad
On 2012-10-11, at 12:26 AM, Andras Holl wrote: > My opinion is that libre OA and CC By in particular is something > that sounds good, but in reality nothing more than a misconception. > It is thoughts, facts, ideas which should be reusable - and they > already are - not articles. Gratis OA is what

[GOAL] Re: RE : Re: On the proposal to raise the Green OA goalpost fromGratis to CC-BY

2012-10-11 Thread Jan Velterop
On 10 Oct 2012, at 23:37, Jean-Claude Guédon wrote: > Jan, > > I do not think it does, provided that the *wherever* quest for libre that you > suggest does not get confused with the *absolute need* to get libre and > nothing else. That would be silly. But the *absolute need* is there, for dat

[GOAL] Re: On the proposal to raise the Green OA goalpost from Gratis to CC-BY

2012-10-11 Thread Stevan Harnad
Begin forwarded message: > From: "Andras Holl" > Subject: [BOAI] Re: On the proposal to raise the Green OA goalpost from > Gratis to CC-BY > Date: 11 October, 2012 7:42:05 AM EDT > To: boai-fo...@ecs.soton.ac.uk > Reply-To: boai-fo...@ecs.soton.ac.uk > > Hi David, > > I have argued against in