[GOAL] Re: Hitler, Mother Teresa, and Coke

2012-11-06 Thread Leslie Carr
Publishers are capitalists - I don't think they'd argue the point. The hostage metaphor really works for me and for many of my colleagues, as it involves elements of ENFORCED TAKING and subsequent DEPRIVATION tied to conditions of RANSOM. Eric's piece makes the really interesting and helpful

[GOAL] Re: Hitler, Mother Teresa, and Coke

2012-11-06 Thread Eric F. Van de Velde
Les: I thought the first paragraph made it very clear I was attacking not only Hitler arguments, but all of the weaker versions that portray one side as morally inferior to the other. In my mind, the explicit and the non-explicit versions are all equivalent, and all equally irrelevant, as they

[GOAL] Re: Hitler, Mother Teresa, and Coke

2012-11-06 Thread Andrew A. Adams
Erice Van de Velde wrote: In my mind, the explicit and the non-explicit versions are all equivalent, and all equally irrelevant, as they are just different levels of name calling. I am not aware of anyone making the explicit Hitler argument when it comes to open access. In fact, even my shrill

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Hitler, Mother Teresa, and Coke

2012-11-06 Thread Mike Taylor
On 6 November 2012 03:32, Eric F. Van de Velde eric.f.vandeve...@gmail.com wrote: Publishers are manipulative capitalists who extort academia by holding hostage the research papers they stole from helpless scholars on a mission to save the world. This Hitler vs. Mother Teresa narrative is

[GOAL] Puzzled - please help

2012-11-06 Thread Sally Morris
Can anyone shed light on the following apparent discrepancy: Laakso and Bjork (http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/10/124) give a figure for articles published in 2011 and indexed in Scopus - 11% in full Gold journals, 0.7% in hybrid journals, and 5% in 'delayed OA' journals with a delay of

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Re: Hitler, Mother Teresa, and Coke

2012-11-06 Thread Marcin Wojnarski
Eric's distinction between publishing for communication or for prestige is quite thought-provoking, if not provocative. Does anyone have an idea how many authors fall to each group? What's more important for majority of academics: communication or prestige? ... I think there's a misconception