[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest FIRST Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-18 Thread Thomas Krichel
brent...@ulg.ac.be writes The only way researchers can be convinced is through mandatory pressure from the funders and/or the Academic authorities. And the only way mandates can be imposed is through the research assessment procedures. Everything else lingers or fails. I beg to differ.

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest FIRST Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-18 Thread Heather Morrison
Rentier makes some good points here. May I add that if deposit in the IR becomes THE way to report to the tenure and promotion committee and funding agencies, this could actually save researchers a lot of time? Currently we do need to report our publications, often to multiple venues with

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest FIRST Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-18 Thread Eric F. Van de Velde
Stevan, Bernard: My main concern is not with mandates, but with the repositories themselves. If memory serves me right, there was at least one unsuccessful attempt to defund the NIH-run Pubmed repository. ArXiv also had an existential crisis when run from a government lab. The weakness of

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest FIRST Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-18 Thread brentier
Indeed Heather, in Belgium, we are now achieving total compatibility between universities IRs as well as with the FRS-FNRS (the major Research Funder). Authors have to file in their papers only once. However, if absolutely needed, various formattings can be provided by the software. I should

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest FIRST Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-17 Thread Bjoern Brembs
On Friday, November 15, 2013, 1:09:13 AM, you wrote: The political approach may be necessary to get OA enacted, but we need to implement OA in such a way that it is immune from political influence. In my book, that seems to be a perfect role for libraries. This is a serious problem with

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest FIRST Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-17 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Bjoern Brembs b.bre...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, November 15, 2013, 1:09:13 AM, you wrote: The political approach may be necessary to get OA enacted, but we need to implement OA in such a way that it is immune from political influence. In my book, that

[GOAL] Re: [Open-access] Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest FIRST Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.

2013-11-17 Thread brentier
Libraries are definitely places where awareness occurs. They are the sentinels. However, they don't have enough power (generally) to impose Open Access as a permanent reflex with researchers. The only way researchers can be convinced is through mandatory pressure from the funders and/or the