uesday, 17 September 2013 2:25 PM
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Disruption vs. Protection
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Arthur Sale wrote:
At a severe risk of offending Stevan, I write to say that my University has
practised an almost-OA policy f
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Arthur Sale wrote:
At a severe risk of offending Stevan, I write to say that my University has
> practised an almost-OA policy for at least 15 years that falls into neither
> the Green nor Gold category we offer a free (to the researcher)
> automated document
Stevan Harnad writes
> It does not, because it is both arbitrary and absurd to cancel a journal
> because it is Green rather than because their users no longer need it"
It is not. There simply is not the money to buy all subscriptions, and
the more a journal's contents can be recovered fr
I fully agree,
There would be no great harm done in the longer perspective if some of
the current major publishers dissapeared from the market, as long as the
access to older article in their electronic holdings are secured. They
would just be replaced by other. Academics need good journals for
Journal cancellation rates are currently almost impossible to judge, at least
for the big publishers because of the "big deals". The big deal subscriptions
mean that many libraries are subscribing either to whole publisher
archives/fleets or at least to whole subjects. In those circumstances
i
I believe that Stevan is logically right on all counts, but one problem
remains that is not addressed here: people decide upon the behaviour on
the basis of a mixed bag of facts and conjectures. Facts are used to
constrain conjectures within the general perimeter of a risk analysis.
Each category
Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
>
> There seems to be two incompatible arguments about the effect of Green OA:
>
> 1. Green OA presents no threat to subscription publishing [...]
>
> 2. [...] Green OA will destroy the subscription market.
>
I've been struggling with the same dilemma for a long time, and
olarly Communication UCL
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> From: goal-boun...@eprints.org on behalf of
> Danny Kingsley
> Sent: 14 September 2013 08:39
> To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
> Subject
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
> *PM-R: *Stevan Harnad's goal [is] that Green OA will destroy the
> subscription market (
> http://poynder.blogspot.ch/2013/07/where-are-we-what-still-needs-to-be.html)
>
My only goal is (and always has been) 100% OA: no more, no less.
A journal publishing 234 articles per year charging $30,860 for a subscription
SHOULD be disrupted, on the basis of price. At this rate it would cost 7 times
more to provide access to only the medical schools in North America than to
provide open access to everyone, everywhere with an internet c
ries are
> sustainable; some journals may not be.
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>
> Fred Friend
>
> Honorary Director Scholarly Communication UCL
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> *From:* goal-boun...@eprints.org on behalf of
> Danny Kingsley
> *Sent:* 14 September 2013 08:39
y Director Scholarly Communication UCL
From: goal-boun...@eprints.org on behalf of Danny
Kingsley
Sent: 14 September 2013 08:39
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Disruption vs. Protection
It is not that there is not sufficient d
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Isn't the fact that "The BIS report finds no evidence to support this
distinction," due to the fact that there isn't sufficient data?
I sense that we are going to have to live with (Green) OA and subscription
journals for some time ... and that it is the subscription model for
commercially publ
My take on point I, "Call for disruption" would place a full stop after
"evolve" and leave the whole statement at that. But disruption we
certainly need, and both the Gold and Green roads can provide a fair bit
of it.
The gold road assumes that journals will always be needed. I hope they
will not
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