[GOAL] Re: Hybrid OA/subscription journals

2013-07-04 Thread Jan Velterop
Eric, You talk about "market-distorting practices". The biggest market-distorting factor in a subscription/licence model is of course that the party who pays is not the party who choses (at least 'gold' models put the choice in the hands of those who can sensibly choose: the authors). The quest

[GOAL] Re: Hybrid OA/subscription journals

2013-07-04 Thread Eric F. Van de Velde
Jan: I agree with almost everything you say. I'd only quibble with the statement about the Big Deal, but that is a concept from the past. In particular, the unbundling of journals is definitely something to pursue. I hope altmetrics and OA accelerate that trend. --Eric. --Eric. http://scitechsoci

[GOAL] Re: Hybrid OA/subscription journals

2013-07-05 Thread Arthur Sale
ailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Jan Velterop Sent: Thursday, 4 July 2013 6:15 PM To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Hybrid OA/subscription journals Eric, You talk about "market-distorting practices". The biggest market-distorting fact

[GOAL] Re: Hybrid OA/subscription journals — double talk

2013-07-02 Thread Stevan Harnad
I'll leave it to others to reply to the many questionable details below. Let me just say that "double-dipping," is not motive term but a very clear, objective one (though it might well give rise to some emotions!): It means being paid twice for the same product. And that's precisely what happens w

[GOAL] Re: Hybrid OA/subscription journals — double talk

2013-07-03 Thread Eric F. Van de Velde
Jan: I agree with you that pricing journals for a publisher is complicated, at least when looking from the inside out. But that is no different from any other supplier of a product. The problem with the academic journal market is price transparency. With Hybrid Gold OA publishers essentially tell