Commenting on the second point only for focus:
On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:57 AM, "Jean-Claude Guédon"
mailto:jean.claude.gue...@umontreal.ca>> wrote:
2. How people are selected, come forward, become leaders, etc. are complex
questions. But how do you deal with representing "millions of authors" ?
Jean-Claude Guédon writes
> In the old, wonderful, John Ford Western, The Man who Shot Liberty
> Valance, there is, toward the end,
I think this list would be better served discussing open access
rather than movies.
> But in this case, why are Poynder and Esposito found riding
> such stran
Two points:
1. Confidentiality about who says what may be in order (on a case by
case basis) for frank discussions; confidentiality about financial
outcomes when public money is involved is simply unacceptable.
2. How people are selected, come forward, become leaders, etc. are
complex questions.
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uncommon.”
Richard Poynder
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[mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Velterop
Sent: 30 December 2015 16:05
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
<mailto:goal@eprints.org>
Subject: [GOAL] Re: The open ac
I am sure Elsevier, Wiley, Springer and the like are having great fun seeing
membres of the Open Access community rip each other apart:
1) those who have always tried to promote a healthy and moral alternative to
what has become of the scholarly publication process in the 4 or 5 last decades;
2)
I agree with Stevan Harnad's message where the following statement was
included:
(3) if funders and institutions simply "leave it to us" [publishers] to
manage a "gradual transition" (certainly not a "flip." which publishers
know full well would be highly unstable and impermanent, and would
quickl
Thank you, David.
Non disclosure agreements, closed meetings with political institutions
and individuals, and no one says anything. A small, benign, conference
with a few well-meaning researchers and librarians and anti-trust laws
as well as conspiracy theories are brandished (respectively by Espo
Behalf
Of Velterop
Sent: 31 December 2015 11:29
To: goal@eprints.org
Subject: [GOAL] Re: The open access movement slips into closed mode
The mistake is to think of open access as a 'movement' with coherent and
coordinated policies and providing solutions. It isn't and it wo
d Poynder
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Behalf Of *Velterop
*Sent:* 30 December 2015 16:05
*To:* Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
*Subject:* [GOAL] Re: The open access movement slips into closed mode
What a rubbish argument! This can on
goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf
Of Velterop
Sent: 30 December 2015 16:05
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Re: The open access movement slips into closed mode
What a rubbish argument! This can only be true of a small country
Jan is surely right. Large commercial publishers are pretty sophisticated
about avoiding taxes, and so I doubt they pay much. (Even the numbers that
are listed in their shareholder reports have to be treated with extreme
caution, as often they represent money that might possibly be due at some
ve
Thank you for raising the issue of secrecy in approach. It strikes me that this
is an appropriate critical question for the open access movement.
Some thoughts follow. I was not invited to the conference, but have mixed
feelings. On the plus side, getting together those who pay for subscriptions
What a rubbish argument! This can only be true of a small country with a
disproportionally massive commercial scholarly publishing sector (that
isn't avoiding taxes via some small island tax haven).
The Netherlands? Perhaps Britain? That's it.
Jan Velterop
On 30/12/2015 12:25, Richard Poynder
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Subject: [GOAL] Re: The open access movement slips into closed mode
While we huff and puff about Berlin 12 and ridiculous suggestions that the
entire open access movement is slipping ‘into closed mode’, Elsevier is having
confidential meetings with UK Government Ministers of State. Meetings th
erials Librarian*,
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<http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/381526/>
S.H.
> *From:* goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] *On
> Behalf Of *David Prosser
> *Sent:* 30 December 2015 10:24
> *To:* Global Open Access List (Successo
On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 5:24 AM, David Prosser
wrote:
> While we huff and puff about Berlin 12 and ridiculous suggestions that the
> entire open access movement is slipping ‘into closed mode’, Elsevier is
> having confidential meetings with UK Government Ministers of State.
> Meetings that are ap
From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of
David Prosser
Sent: 30 December 2015 10:24
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Re: The open access movement slips into closed mode
While we huff and puff about Berlin 12 and ridiculous
While we huff and puff about Berlin 12 and ridiculous suggestions that the
entire open access movement is slipping ‘into closed mode’, Elsevier is having
confidential meetings with UK Government Ministers of State. Meetings that are
apparently not covered by the Freedom of Information Act:
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