december 2007 16:39
Aan: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@listserver.sigmaxi.org
Onderwerp: Misunderstanding about OA in Europe suffers a setback ?
Dear all,
After reading N Miradon's message (recalled hereafter), I thought a battle had
been lost.
After looking some more on the Internet and asking
I'd be interested to hear how other repository projects came about and
about the structure by which they are managed, to compare with our
experience. I hope this response is a useful synopsis of ours.
Talat,
Here is the story of my repository : a French side story.
I am a French librarian
Talat has wonderful energy and enthusiasm for building his institution's
repository by means of advocacy, and Arthur presents clear evidence that
without a mandate there is an upper limit to the success of that approach.
Talat's best alternative, as for all repository managers in a similar
Hi Arthur,
I am glad that you did not intend what came across as a slight to those
engaging in grass-roots advocacy where their institutions are still
relying on the voluntarist approach and have not yet achieved a mandate.
As I have said, even though I don't dispute that voluntarism fails to
Hi Steve,
Thanks for your kind remarks.
We are fortunate in that the repository came about as an experimental
project in the IT section of our converged library/IT department but was
then capitalised upon by a forward thinking IS director, and it appears
that our luck is holding with two pro
The evidence is quite clear that advocacy does not work by itself, and never
has worked anywhere. To repeat the bleeding obvious once again: depositing
in repositories is avoidable work under a voluntary regime, and like all
avoidable work it will be avoided by most academics, even if perceived to
Scientists dont like to do financial reporting either. The solution there, as
for here, is for it to be done by the
auxiliaries--the department staff and the librarians. From t he point of view
of a working scientist, this sort of
thing will always be details.
As librarians or publishers or
Thus are battles lost.
At the International Coalition of Library Consortia in October 2006, the
European Commission was thinking aloud [1] ...
* European Commission can set rules on access and dissemination for
research funded under the Framework Programme (FP)
* Opportunity for change from FP6
However, despite the six out of seven funding bodies requiring green OA, we
do not yet see substantial compliance from academics as a result.
One thing to remember is that most of these policies apply to papers
resulting from new projects funded after 1 October 2006 (or 1 December 2006
for the
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, N. Miradon wrote:
I suggest that someone who knows about these things (S. Harnad, are you
listening?) should write a screed, not more than half a page of A4, on
Green
OA self-archiving. Call it Harvesting the Fruit of EU Research. Take
the
point of view of a Brussels
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Objet : Re: OA in Europe suffers a setback
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, N. Miradon wrote:
I suggest that someone who knows about these things (S. Harnad, are
you
Absolutely right. Mandates are all very well, whether within
universities or nationally, but they are worthless unless they are
complied with. Penalties for non-compliance are effectively impossible.
I heard someone at UKCoRR compare the situation to speeding fines
lately. Do these stop people
N. MIRADON [regarding the tepid European Parliament statement on OA]
Thus are battles lost [owing to lack of sufficient OA lobbying]
T. KRICHEL:
How come? Academics have to make their work openly
accessible to make open access work. Waiting for
T. CHAUDHRI:
Absolutely
Just as a funder can REQUIRE as a condition of funding that the recipient of
its money writes a report, it can require that the peer-reviewed outputs be
made OA. If the recipient fails to do this, he/she will never receive further
funding from that agency. That sort of thing would NOT be
I agree that an opportunity was lost on 13 September. I am sure more members
of this list would have contacted their MEP if they had known that the
Communication was on the Research Committee's agenda. But I think there will
be other opportunities to make MEPs aware of the importance of this
All,
I sent over 60 messages to MEPs on behalf of the EPT Trustees, on April 9th,
so there may have been other letters written too. If so, this suggests
either that the message is not understood or that we just have to write and
write and write, as some well known OA warriors are doing so
Hi,
To be clear, we will seek a university mandate in Aberystwyth, but
expect that compliance will only follow if backed up by adequate and
ongoing advocacy. I have also seen this morning a report of only 4% of
mandates succeeding, so I feel that I am receiving rather mixed messages
on this. I am
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