Re: The First and Foremost PostGutenberg Distinction

2010-11-17 Thread Bernard Lang
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:52 PM Subject: Re: The First and Foremost PostGutenberg Distinction Thank you Jean-Claude But when you speak of the green and gold road, and their form of publishing, does it imply that the accessible works come with these rights granted

Re: The First and Foremost PostGutenberg Distinction

2010-11-16 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Chris Zielinski wrote: His name is Wallace-Wells, everyone, not Wallace-Evans! Nobody seems to be reading the original... No, the original is alas indeed being read, but the readers are so appalled by the author's endless substantive misreadings and

Re: The First and Foremost PostGutenberg Distinction

2010-11-16 Thread Bernard Lang
Thank you Jean-Claude But when you speak of the green and gold road, and their form of publishing, does it imply that the accessible works come with these rights granted ... or is it only seen as a way to get there. I means that if those rights are given, does it matter much how the work is

Re: The First and Foremost PostGutenberg Distinction

2010-11-16 Thread Bernard Lang
Is there a distinction between papers that are just openly accessible, and papers that can be freely reproduced on other sites, or other media in your classifications. I am trying o identifi the concept of an open work. If it is simply something that I can access, that qualifies the whole of the

Re: The First and Foremost PostGutenberg Distinction

2010-11-16 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
Bernard, I will simply quote the Bethesda statement on OA: 1. Definition of Open Access Publication An Open Access Publication[1] is one that meets the following two conditions: 1. The author(s) and copyright holder(s) grant(s) to all users a free, irrevocable, worldwide, perpetual right

Re: The First and Foremost PostGutenberg Distinction

2010-11-16 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
Bernard, The Green Road is not generally conceived of as publishing unless you take the work publishing in a very general sense, such as making public. Stevan Harnad, in fact, has always carefully separated the Green Road (self-archiving - not self-publishing) from both vanity presses and

Re: The First and Foremost PostGutenberg Distinction

2010-11-16 Thread Bernard Lang
* Jean-Claude Guédon jean.claude.gue...@umontreal.ca, le 16-11-10, a écrit: Bernard, The Green Road is not generally conceived of as publishing unless you take the work publishing in a very general sense, such as making public. Stevan Harnad, in fact, has always carefully separated the

Re: The First and Foremost PostGutenberg Distinction

2010-11-16 Thread Hélène . Bosc
...@listserver.sigmaxi.org Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:52 PM Subject: Re: The First and Foremost PostGutenberg Distinction Thank you Jean-Claude But when you speak of the green and gold road, and their form of publishing, does it imply that the accessible works come with these rights granted

Re: The First and Foremost PostGutenberg Distinction

2010-11-15 Thread Stevan Harnad
Re-posted for Charles Oppenheim whose posting arrived encrypted: -- Forwarded message -- From: C Oppenheim C.Oppenheim -- lboro.ac.uk List-Post: goal@eprints.org List-Post: goal@eprints.org Date: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:47 AM Subject: RE: Your posting came through encrypted Hiya

The First and Foremost PostGutenberg Distinction

2010-11-14 Thread Stevan Harnad
One can sympathize with Larry Lessig's frustration in An Obvious Distinction: LL: In 2010, [for David Wallace-Evans] to suggest [in a 6000-word review in The Nation] that [the Creative Commons movement] 'exhort[s]… piracy and the plundering

Re: The First and Foremost PostGutenberg Distinction

2010-11-14 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
Indeed, Larry! And Stevan Harnad is quite right is refusing to equate Open Access with the Gold Road. In fact, Open Access is made up of two approaches: OA publishing or Gold Road and self-archiving or Green Road. And both roads are valuable, arguably equally (although differently) valuable. As