Re: [Goanet] BAMON LADDER

> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 07:44:33 +> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL > PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] BAMON LADDER> > > 3. How about having a servant > of the house sleep (and eat) with the > master why not? Sr Lopes, Above, do you mean the excercise of droite de sieur? Would it be

Re: [Goanet] Catholic children and Catholic schools

Hi Kevin, Thanks for your honest insights. I do not know whether to laugh or cry. Though my hunch is like most "secular humanist" in your situation, you are enjoying the best of both worlds. I got to check your Saturday night schedule. :=)) Your account goes along with what Dinesh alluded to.

[Goanet] Catholism and Catholics.

In response to Kevin's letter, I guess he is right. Everyone has a choice to beleive in whatever they feel comfortable with. Husband and or wife? After all religion is man made or prove it to me otherwise. What is really important is that we beleive in doing good to humanity and not bad, com

Re: [Goanet] Changing people's hearts and minds on caste

Arre Cornel-baba, Instead of worrying about Aldona, why do not you worry about casteism currently being practiced in London and UK? And solve the present casteism that Gabe Menezes so succinctly outlined. One way you could solve it is by not practicing it on Goanet. Can you explain to us why

[Goanet] Changing people's hearts and minds on caste - Ed

Hi Ed, Thanks for your insights. My experience is similar to yours, when I attended the New Year's eve dance in Toronto. If they display it to me living in USA, (I drink Johnny Walker Blue or the model of their car), they likely display more of it when they come to Goa. No caste issue - just

Re: [Goanet] Changing people's hearts and minds on caste

--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gabe speaks of CURRENT casteism in UK and Victor > speaks of casteism's PRESENT existence in Portugal. > Interesting that Victor gave his speech on casteism > in Portugal and not in Goa. The overwhelming > opinion among native residents is, its

Re: [Goanet] Changing people's hearts and minds on caste - to Mario

--- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marie, > > > Thank you so much for confirming, FROM GOA, WITH A > VERY SPECIFIC EXAMPLE, that the contention by some > Goanetters, WHO DO NOT LIVE IN GOA, that caste is > not > a problem in Goa, or that it is only relegated to > the > matrimonial ads

[Goanet] Xavier's News and Features, E-Service (XNFES): National Level Commerce Fest, “ARENA 2007-2008”

XAVIER’S NEWS & FEATURES E-SERVICE (XNFES) National Level Commerce Fest, “ARENA 2007-2008” (ENCLOSED PICTURES) The National Level Commerce Fest, “ARENA 2007- 2008” organized by the Department of Commerce, St Xavier’s College Mapusa jump-started with the theme, “What you do is what defines y

[Goanet] Need advice on how to travel from Goa for Jerusalem Pilgrimage

Dear netters As its our plan to send mom on a Pilgrimage tour to Jerusalem, we would like to know who its done from Goa. If someone has already done this trip and can guide us, I will really appreciate. Thanks Jerry Fernandes

Re: [Goanet] Catholic children and Catholic schools/to Bosco

On Sun Dec 9 08:01:03 PST Carvalho wrote: > --- Bosco D'Mello wrote: > RESPONSE: I have asked earlier and I ask > again..what is a secular > education? > --- A secular education in a secular country, adheres to the curriculum set by the National Board of Educat

Re: [Goanet] Changing people's hearts and minds on caste - to Gabe

We gather in Goa, London, Chicago, even in Rio, never to hear any of this in conversation, pray, why then on the net ! eric. Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:49:28 + From: "Gabe Menezes" > What guts are required ? I have never had a problem, wit

[Goanet] India swings to jazz TOO

There was very little on Jazz, in this piece, other than a feel good approach towards Jazz Utsav. And, one of India's better pianists seems to have been inadvertently excluded, since the piece is about where the jazz scene in India currently stands -- vis-a-vis the perception of when its awakening

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1146 (Voter Fraud)

I had posted a note on this subject a long time back,but I have not seen it on Goanet. Anyway, IT MUST BE SAID that Rajan Parrikar, although very harsh, is holding up a mirror. The Goa Electoral Rolls are "UNCLEAN! "I was shocked at the little information I could get under RTI, regarding HOW

[Goanet] When Panjim Corporation chiefs dance to a different tune!

When Panjim Corporation chiefs dance to a different tune! PANJIM, DEC 9 - One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that frequent transfer of top officials hampers the administration and the functioning of that particular department. However, the State government just seems to b

[Goanet] CRC Chinchinim-Kuwait to present "Annual Fiesta" on 13th Dec. 2007

CRC Chinchinim-Kuwait is pleased to announce their "Annual Fiesta" will be held on the 13th of December 2007 at the FakherEldeen Palace, Kuwait City. The fiesta scheduled to commence at 9:00 p.m. will have live entertainment from one of Kuwait's top bands. As always this year's event too promi

[Goanet] Rural Legends

Alfred de Tavares wrote: Cecil, dear Aldonkar, Is Marie's contention true or an urban legend. I have had much to do with various comunidades, with 'jonos' (i have two,from Loutulim & Raia, 'ac??es'. etc, but never heard of two presidents, and that, on caste lines. Alfred de Tavares, a grandson o

[Goanet] ghosts, evil eye and exorcists

Good idea Valmiki. If this book happens, I would like to be considered as an illustrator. Of course I would expect to be given the right amount of time. Then we are talking! I will put some stuff on this in 2008. Gavncho rakkno, cemeter kodden pursanvan, doyeo voli nesun shoji kodden, etc. Venanti

[Goanet] The Bamon Ladder

The Bamon ladder. Oh yeah! I last saw it perched on Mt. Goanism – in the Sanctum Sanctorum of Crab Mentality. The two long sides (or verticals) were the intellectual spouses who didn’t quite get along and so procreated chaddos, sudras, kunbis, gauddos, mahars, et al, as rungs to reach God wh

Re: [Goanet] Hinduism is NOT based on caste - to Mario

--- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Oh, really, Selma? What about centuries-old and > gratuitous communal discrimination do you find > "complicated"? -- I decided the matter was complicated when Dr Basilio Monterio was branded a caste-apologist. He is

[Goanet] Insiders and Outsiders

Gomantak Times, 8 December 2007 Insiders and Outsiders by Vidyadhar Gadgil One of the most popular subjects of public discourse in Goa is the ‘Goan identity’ -- reams of newsprint, scholarly articles and even entire books are devoted to this subject, and it is a staple of innumerable seminars. T

[Goanet] Gracias !

>From the english spoken in latter day latin- invaded England turned Brittania >( Caesar first, and then the Normans). The real thing is 'dankin', so 'thank' >you, Angala Merkel, and all your friends in Anglia on the Rhine. I used 'gracias', when i meant to say 'gracious', in a recent post: a

[Goanet] Moderator's Responsibilities

"Mario responds: a) What are the chances that someone who doesn't understand the name of the person he is responding to after several exchanges on Goanet can understand much else?" --- Hi Mario, Bandari, bindare, Bandare are all these names he has used before, now he uses just -b. IT IS

[Goanet] Disability Rights Association of Goa (DRAG) celebrated World Disabled Day with a Difference

www.goa-world.com http://www.goa-world.com Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans/ (since 1994) From: Disability Rights Association of Goa (DRAG) DRAG celebrates World Disabled Day Disability Ri

Re: [Goanet] Sati tradition or greed? How about coerced dowry and greed?

On 09/12/2007, Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mario responds: > > > Gabe, > > > Only time will tell whether your "sage" sources are > right or not about the consequences of the growing > disparity between the number of men versus women in > India, or my "rudimentary" opinion. RESPONSE:

[Goanet] Here is a collection of Christmas songs. Simply click on the title of the song & enjoy

Here is a collection of Christmas songs. Simply click on the title of the song and a new window should open for you playing the song. Enjoy! *The Twelve Days of Christmas (I)* *The Twelve Days of Christmas (II)*

[Goanet] Bamon Ladder to Bonefacio

Dear Lopes-bab: You raised an important issue of discrimination prevalnt in society which is not based on caste and you are right. I think it is natural for humans to create in a society a hierarchy or a pecking orderin the west it is based on money and power and so too in many parts of the ea

Re: [Goanet] The Bamon Ladder

Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 08:14:42 +0530 From: "Valmiki Faleiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Some excerpts: > If I ever talk about castes, it's in the interest of understanding the historical perspective better. (I do trust both of you personally know that. That personally, I don't give a fig to caste in the

[Goanet] Human rights (monday-muse)

While it is perfectly legitimate to talk about rights, should we also not talk about duties. I believe that someone had sent a bill of rights to Mahatma Gandhi for his comment. The Mahatma sent it back with a comment that he should be sent a bill of duties, since rights automatically follow tho

[Goanet] LEOPARD RESCUED AT BICHOLIM

Bicholim Dec 10: The Animal Rescue Squad (ARS) from Bicholim Sunday rescued a 2 yr old leopard fallen in a well at Bordem Bicholim. The incident occurred at night when a leopard fell in a well belonging to Adv. Harishchandra Naik at Bordem. "At night, at about 1:30 a.m. we heard a loud roar an

[Goanet] Goa's Movement Against SEZs (GMAS) yatra begins!

To Goanet - The GMAS caravan got rolling today in Valpoi in Sattari taluka. The open air town meeting this morning (Mon, Dec 10, 2007) was addressed by speakers drawn from several diverse organizations. The yatra then proceeded towards Honda and Sakhali. Tomorrow's programme begins in Pedne

[Goanet] Funeral Arrangement Notice - Iggy Almeida Wednesday 12th December In Campbelltown

Dear Members and friends Please find an update on the funeral arrangement of member Iggy Almeida on Wednesday 12th December. Please pass on the information re funeral arrangements to members and friends. Condolence messages to the Almeida family can be sent by clicking here. http://www.o

Re: [Goanet] Catholic children and Catholic schools

Miguel Braganza says: "Most RSS fanatics are atheists " Can I please have the source of this gem of information? And in what context was it necessary to bring in the RSS in this discussion? I may have missed reading some of the messages in this thread. Sachin Phadte __

Re: [Goanet] Bamon Ladder to Bonefacio

On 09/12/2007, Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Lopes-bab: > > You raised an important issue of discrimination > prevalnt in society which is not based on caste and > you are right. I think it is natural for humans to > create in a society a hierarchy or a pecking > orderin the west i

[Goanet] Goans must wake up....before it's too late!

Goans might have won the battles of opinion poll, official language (though now fighting with each other on script issue!), statehood, but till date could not build a maintainable society without demographic dilution. Census of 2001 indicates that nearly 2 lakh migrants are permanently settled in

[Goanet] Masala Popcorn Recipe

Masala Popcorn Recipe This is one of the popular bar munchies at Indian restaurants. It goes good with a cold glass of India Pale Beer, as well as a cup of Garam Chai (Sweetened hot tea latte). Ingredients Popcorn 1. Popping corn: ½ Cup 2. Canola oil: 1 Tablespoon 3. Mixed Nuts (Peanuts, Alm

Re: [Goanet] Gracias !

Hi Eric I can see how hard you try to present a post coherently on Goanet and good luck to you even if your posts (and I say this helpfully and kindly) tend to lack in meaningfulness, syntax, grammar and adequate spelling. Nevertheless, my genuine offer of help to all those on Goanet challeng

Re: [Goanet] The Bamon Ladder/to Mario

--- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mario responds: > > > Valmiki, > > > So, the abomination of caste is simply of academic > interest to you, hanh? And only to "understand" the > subject better, not necessarily to do anything about > it. - Mari

Re: [Goanet] Insiders and Outsiders

Hi Vidyadhar This is just to say that I much enjoyed your article on Insiders and Outsiders. You offer so much to chew over. However, I have a particular take on what I consider to be the confused Catholic Goan identity consequent to the Portuguese presence in Goa. I will share my thoughts wi

[Goanet] "Women empowerment is not against men" Sr. Philomena in WRCC meeting.

"Women empowerment is not against men" Sr. Philomena in WRCC meeting. Report by Ancy Paladka, Vasai/Mumbai "Working for women empowerment is continuing Jesus' Mission of bringing the Good News to the oppressed" said Sr. Philomena D'Souza. She was delivering an orientation speech on 'Empowerment of

Re: [Goanet] The Bamon Ladder

--- Valmiki Faleiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey, wouldn't Goanetters be interested in those > delightfully delicious Goan tales > of ghosts, evil eye and exorcists? If some netters > could launch three new threads > on each of those subjects and everyone would share > their experiences, I'm

Re: [Goanet] Changing people's hearts and minds on caste - by redefining it!

Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:58:10 -0800 (PST) From: Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Is Gilbert trying to say that Cornel, Mario, Victor and RKN, who criticized his creative definition of casteism, are simply mediocre Goans, while Gilbert is the one with achievements? > Mario adds: > Who knows a

[Goanet] Bhandari Samaj is a caste.

Is former C.M. of Goa Parrikar, from the Bhandari caste? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhandari_caste -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England

Re: [Goanet] The Bamon Ladder

My good Mario, Let me asure you that Valmiki HAS done more abou IT tham most of lambs that bleat against (higher) caste in this debate. So, have many others. I leave it to Valmiki to explain what I mean if he so choses (cares) to. Alfred> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:58:10 -0800> From: [EMAIL

Re: [Goanet] Hinduism is NOT based on caste - to Mario

Hi Selma I keep hearing about these wonderful human beings in Goa but I am baffled when such "wonderful human beings" are unable to simply say that caste/casteism within the Catholic Church membership is as wrong as racism anywhere. Why for heaven's sake is it so difficult to state the obviou

[Goanet] On top of Panjim

To Goanet - Today I saw Panjim from here, from what is the highest perch in the city - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/qutubofpanjim.jpg More pictures of the sights later but for now I will simply say that today's Panjim looks like sh*t isotropically from above. It is somewhat better t

[Goanet] Goa news for December 11, 2007

Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Goa: Fighting against SEZ - NDTV.com [20 hours ago] It is peak season time in the tourists' paradise of Goa. But that's not the only thing that's keeping the Goans busy. They are fighting

[Goanet] Lenin on literacy

In an article in The Times of India, I read the following attributed to Lenin: "In general, as you probably know, I am not particularly fond of intelligentsia, and our new slogan 'eliminate illiteracy' should by no means be taken as expressing a wish to give birth to a new intelligentsia. To 'e

Re: [Goanet] Need advice on how to travel from Goa for Jerusalem Pilgrimage

Hi Jerry One suggestion is to look on line at the many brochures that present tours of Jerusalem and the surroundings. The flight would probably be to Tel Aviv and then by coach to other parts and back to Tel Aviv for the return. Israel is small enough to make a short trip fairly productive.

[Goanet] Re Secular education

Hi Selma My daughter studies at the Indian High School in Dubai. Not affiliated to any religious institution as you probably know since you lived here. In social studies one chapter for each school year  covers Islam and the life of Prophet Mohammed. I have learned a lot about both from helping

Re: [Goanet] Changing people's hearts and minds on caste

Hi Victor I am totally flummoxed by Gilbert's very strange logic that you should have presented your speech on caste not in Lisbon but in Goa. It is in Lisbon that you faced the issue and not in Goa irrespective of the fact that Goa reeks of caste, generates it, and exports it to places like

Re: [Goanet] Changing people's hearts and minds on caste - to Selma

Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:32:34 -0800 (PST) From: Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In short, how much does caste play a role in the day to day lives of Goans today? > By all means let's fight prejudice and discrimination and caste where we find it, but let's also give Goa its due credit in having ove

Re: [Goanet] Changing people's hearts and minds on caste

Hi Gilbert I referred to Aldona from a point raised by Marie and because I was armed with some info that you have studiously avoided answering. Being silent when questioned on specific issues is now your style and I regret I do not buy it. Why don't you stand up and be counted as reiterated by

Re: [Goanet] Catholic children and Catholic schools/to Bosco

--- Bosco D'Mello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > you reversed course and said "To the best of my > knowledge Catholic schools > in India offer an outstanding secular education". > > And we still haven't established what is "secular > education" notwithstanding > your circuitous response above

[Goanet] Supreme Court ruling on Mines in Goa

The Goa Foundation G-8 St Britto's Apartments, Feira Alta, Mapusa 403 507 Goa 7th December 2007 Phones: 0832-2263305; 2256479; 9326115907; 2278740 www.goacom.org/goafoundation/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URGENT PRESS MATTER SUPREME COURT TODAY STAYS 18 TEMPORARY WORKING PERMITS ISSUED BY MINISTRY

[Goanet] SEZ scam at Verna stopped by SVM

On Monday, 10 December 2007 a team of SEZ Virodhi Manch (SVM) went to check on reports by locals that work was in progress on Sunday night in clear contravention of the Chief minister's directive for stopping work in the Verna SEZs. We were shocked to see the hill being cut. We demanded that the

[Goanet] Gulfache Varem (The latest album)

I do really appreciate. True profanely composer and singer FRANCIS DE TUEM, For his 3 album with good title Polkem Vodpon, Kursak Okman and the latest one Gulfache Varem Remain all time favorites. He does sing the jet speed and political notable songs with the proof and true topics, F

[Goanet] Environmental Book Release in Benaulim on Wednesday, 12th Dec, 5-7pm

Hello, Tomorrow, I shall release the 'The Benaulim Green Book' with a small informal function at my residence at Benaulim. The Benaulim Green Book aims at informing both the visitor as well as the local in Benaulim about eco-initiatives in and around the village. This means that the book has

[Goanet] In search of new idioms

To Goanet - The good news - Indian intellectuals are breaking loose from Marxist academic thuggery and finding fresh directions of inquiry. The bad news - with the advent of the "mall" and "real estate" culture, India doesn't care anymore for its great philosophic and intellectual traditions

Re: [Goanet] Sati tradition or greed? How about coerced dowry and greed?

Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:33:38 + From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > There is no need to wait for time to tell; women trafficking is already happening in India right now, the rape of women in India and especially in Delhi is a frightful reality. > Be man enough, get off your high horse,

Re: [Goanet] Catholic children and Catholic schools

On 10/12/2007, Sachin Phadte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Miguel Braganza says: "Most RSS fanatics are atheists " Can I please > have the source of this gem of information? > And in what context was it necessary to bring in the RSS in this > discussion? I may have missed reading some of the mes

Re: [Goanet] Caste and The Church (long post) /to Cornel

Cornel wrote: In the case of Goan priests in Goa however, I have now been able to unravel the secret within the Church that prevents them from publicly uttering what would effectively be 'blasphemy' and betrayal of the Church in its long-drawn out immersion and role with caste. -

Re: [Goanet] The Bamon Ladder/to Mario

On 10/12/2007, Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mario, > This is where NRIs really lose credibility. After > attacking Dr Monterio, you have graduated to attacking > Valmiki. Valmiki who has spent his life in Goa, > dedicated his time and money to Goan causes, and > religiously devotes a co

Re: [Goanet] Insiders and Outsiders

On 10/12/2007, CORNEL DACOSTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Vidyadhar >This is just to say that I much enjoyed your article on Insiders and > Outsiders. You offer so much to chew over. However, I have a particular take > on what I consider to be the confused Catholic Goan identity consequen

[Goanet] Changing people's hearts and minds on caste (to Cornel dacosta)

Hi Cornel, I did not mention anything about the CONFRARIAS. Yes they stand merged and i do not know whether they have distinguising vestments. i wrote about the COMMUNIDADES, which by the way women are not allowed to be members of -- marie

Re: [Goanet] Catholic children and Catholic schools

--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Kevin, Thanks for your honest insights. I do not know whether to laugh or > cry. To help Gilbert make a decision, may I suggest he cry first and then laugh. Sort of like "he who laughs last, laughs best". Preferable to crying last or laugh

Re: [Goanet] Changing people's hearts and minds on caste

Hi Santosh, I did not realize that the persons you mention below were trying to "portray themselves as superior" to me. How silly of me? Of course they are superior to this supurlo Goenkar. Ani tea bair they are superior to all supurlo Goenkars of all caste. Why do you not fight your own

Re: [Goanet] Human rights (monday-muse)

Sachin, Let us NOT just talk about 'Human Rights' and 'Human Duties'. Let us try do our little bit. To start with, is it possible to implement 'Human Duties' and 'Human Rights' in Goa? If so, how? Cip Fernandes --- Sachin Phadte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > While it is perfectly legiti

Re: [Goanet] LEOPARD RESCUED AT BICHOLIM

samir umarye wrote: > Bicholim Dec 10: The Animal Rescue Squad (ARS) from Bicholim Sunday rescued > a 2 yr old leopard fallen in a well at Bordem Bicholim. > The incident occurred at night when a leopard fell in a well belonging to > Adv. Harishchandra Naik at Bordem. "At night, at about 1:30 a.

[Goanet] Xavier's News and Features, E-Service (XNFES): CHILD RIGHTS DAY AT XAVIER'S

XAVIER'S NEWS & FEATURES E-SERVICE (XNFES) CHILD RIGHTS DAY AT XAVIER'S The Child Welfare Cell of St. Xavier's College, Mapusa, celebrated the United Nations Child Rights Day on 26th November, 2007, on the College Campus. Interschool contests were organized in the category of stre