--- Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
THINK! -- IBM mantra
TRUST but VERIFY! -- Ronald Reagan
Mario adds:
A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx.
- Ronald Reagan
Hi Vidyadhar,
Stop deluding yourself. Wake up! Socialism is dead! Or at least dying. The
reason why the word is still in the Constitution is because of
your buddies from Calcutta who are holding Manmohanji at ransom. That's why
he refers to his Capitalistic ideas as Reforms with a
human face.
Dear Vidhyadhar,
I agree completely.
I must say that I find it extremely pleasant to disagree with you
beacause I know that in doing so I will get some insight into the
failings of my own theories(of which I have many). I hate to brand
myself as pro/anti anything. While I oppose
THINK! -- IBM mantra
TRUST but VERIFY! -- Ronald Reagan
- Original Message -
From: Vidyadhar Gadgil
This matter was debated on Goanet itself some time ago, see
http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@goanet.org/msg24169.html and related
messages. So I won't get into it again, except
--- Mario Goveia wrote:
Just to clarify the height of your balderdash,
what Cornel described as codswallop was my
opinion that it is no one else's business what a
worker who needs a job accepts from an employer
in terms of wages and benefits.
Perhaps you, Cornel or Selma can
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From: Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Bleeding labour dry/reply to (Vidyadhar Gadgil)
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the word democracy on their lips but don't
recall what it means in relation to workers!
Regards
Cornel DaCosta.
- Original Message -
From: Vidyadhar Gadgil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Bleeding labour dry
On Sun
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
my opinion that it is no one else's business what
a worker who needs a job accepts from an employer
in terms of wages and benefits.
Perhaps you, Cornel or Selma can explain your
objections to this opinion in a more intelligent
way than
Dear Vidhyadhar,
To further nationalise essential services in a country where there is
no political or bureaucratic accountabilty will spell disaster for
India.
To cite an example, until a few years ago telecommuncations was
nationalised and the the scenario in this sector in India was
On Sun Nov 26 08:58:08 PST 2006, Mario Goveia mgoveia wrote:
Mario responds:
Thanks for taking the time to describe codswallop as nonsense. You
have previously
allowed other posters to use the word balderdash but asked me to eschew
this word in
response.
RESPONSE: Its quite likely I
On Sun, 2006-11-26 at 21:09 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Bleeding labour dry/to Mario - CLARIFICATION
fromGoanet Admin
Just to clarify the height of your balderdash, what
Cornel described as codswallop was my opinion that
it is no one else's business what
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
my opinion that it is no one else's business what a
worker who needs a job accepts from an employer in
terms of wages and benefits.
Perhaps you, Cornel or Selma can explain your
objections to this opinion in a more intelligent way
than simply
list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Bleeding labour dry/to Mario - CLARIFICATION
fromGoanet Admin
--- Bosco - Goanet Volunteer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mario, there is no abuse is what Cornel has said above. The abuse you see
Just codswallop below from a die-hard reactionary.
Cornel
- Original Message -
From: Mario Goveia
Selma,
You are about as die-hard a capitalist as Karl Marx. A real
examination of the issues would include the fact that it is no one
else's
business what a worker is willing
] Bleeding labour dry/to Cornel (3).
Hi Selma
Thanks for your further well informed response about labour relations and
the vital need for worker protection at many levels. Yes, I am aware of
the
Goa roots of this discussion.
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--- Mario Goveia wrote:
Selma,
You are about as die-hard a capitalist as Karl
Marx. A real examination of the issues would
include the fact that it is no one else's
business what a worker is willing to accept in
terms of wages and benefits.
--- Cornel DaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat Nov 25 09:07:35 PST 2006, Mario Goveia wrote:
--- Mario Goveia wrote:
Selma,
You are about as die-hard a capitalist as Karl Marx. A real examination
of the issues would
include the fact that it is no one else's business what a worker is
willing to accept in
terms of wages and
Dear Cornel,
Mario's understanding of labour relations, even in the
context of the US, is limited at best or selective at
worst. The concept of Employment at will was
devastate in the 1960s and through the 1970s, with
series of legislation, that shredded the idea that all
conditions pertaining to
-
From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Bleeding labour dry/to Cornel
Dear Cornel,
Mario's understanding of labour relations, even in the context of the US
From: Mario Goveia
Selma,
You are about as die-hard a capitalist as Karl
Marx. A real examination of the issues would
include the fact that it is no one else's
business what a worker is willing to accept
in terms of wages and benefits.
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Hi Mario,
Thanks for the concern, but don't blow it out of proportion as my aunt
might be reading this! I only mentioned slightly high.
There is a history of high BP in my family (paternal side) but I have
always had a healthy BP of 120/80, and I generally am a very calm
person unlike my father.
Dear Selma,
I don't know whether your chronic misunderstandings of my posts are
genuine or on purpose, but now I am forced to waste precious bandwidth
to clarify what I have written...
Selma wrote:
In your earlier post you told me that I have a bird's
eye view of everything presumably in
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From: Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Bleeding labour dry /Re to Aristo
Hi Sunith,
Both of us know each others problems we faced when we started out. Our
first years were
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is said that in this world, one cen get one or
two of the following:
1. Cost (low)
2. Quality of service or product.
3. Service (efficiency with a smile / cooperation)
The problem is when one wants all the above
combined.
To Fred, if
--- Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PS. My BP is still slightly high because I still
don't get enough sleep because of evening college!
Mario observes:
Aristo,
Your elevated BP could be the result of several other
factors as well. This is one medical problem that can
be easily controlled,
Hi Sunith,
Both of us know each others problems we faced when we started out. Our
first years were demanding, and yes, you could say that we were
exploited, but we allowed that so that we could prove our worth and
rise up fast. I remember I walked in to office once on a Friday
afternoon, and
It is said that in this world, one cen get one or two of the following:
1. Cost (low)
2. Quality of service or product.
3. Service (efficiency with a smile / cooperation)
The problem is when one wants all the above combined.
To Fred, if the taxi drivers are not doing well in this field, and
Yes, it is true that Goa has a lot of catching up to do with the Industrial
world.
OSHA inspectors in the US would have a fit, seeing the un-safe conditions
under which people work in India..welders welding without safety
goggles, construction workers without safety hats or steel tip
Dear Mario,
Do you know why American companies are so keen to
outsource their work to Indian companies? It's not
only because they can get 3 people for the price of
one, but they can also get one person who will do
three people's job.
Yes, working long hours is an American tradition but
when you
After I wrote the mail on labour conditions in India,
I happened to see a documentary on working conditions
in Chinese manufacturing units. The conditions were
inhumane to say the least. People worked for 16 hours
without a break in closed spaces often without
ventilation. They were then made to
--- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Mario,
Do you know why American companies are so keen to
outsource their work to Indian companies? It's not
only because they can get 3 people for the price of
one, but they can also get one person who will do
three people's job.
Mario
--- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Mario,
It's such a lark to state that because domestic help
is hard to come by, they get treated well.
Mario observes:
When was the last time you hired domestic help in
India? I know people in Mumbai and Pune who pay their
workers well, provide
Hi Vivian,
I too don't know what Selma is talking about, perhaps its another one
of those birds-eye observations of hers. (HA HA, can't help harping on
Selma's Achilles heel!)
In my limited experiences, I have rarely seen a person working a
strict Nine-to-SIX being derided for it. I follow it
On 11/11/06, Vivian D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dunno about Selma's experiences. Labor in Goa is now at a premium. If you
want a day laborer, you better be able to pay the price they quote and all
the extras they demand.
Yeah, so what?
What Vivian says is absolutely right. But does it
--- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If we expect multinationals and huge Indian
companies to employ adequate number of people to
preform required services, we are mistaken. In
fact, Indian companies revel in the fact that they
can gnaw at the inherent insecurity that resides in
every
Sometime ago, my friend got married to Goan
old-money. Her in-laws' house was built in the
Portuguese style of the colonial era, with a courtyard
in the middle, an attached chapel and a salle big
enough to accommodate over 100 people. At my own count
the rooms numbered to 15. Despite all this
Dunno about Selma's experiences. Labor in Goa is now at a premium. If you
want a day laborer, you better be able to pay the price they quote and all
the extras they demand.
In my neighborhood, for the few households that still cultivate their own
rice, this year has been especially
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