History or Hatchet job?
During a dialog on this thread, some expressed difficulty in
differentiating history-writing from doing a 'hatchet job'. I would encourage
the reader(s) who expressed this difficulty, to study the following two
books. The first book is history with much facts,
Hi Santosh,
You are wrong that I am against an Inquisition museum. Thanks for suspecting
that you were wrong about your assumption.
It is difficult to have an Inquisition museum without it being part of a museum
of Portugal colonization in India and Asia. As the guru himself puts it, The
Hi Gilbert,
You have responded to my concern regarding the Inquisition Museum, but you have
not responded to my request to provide real factual data to back up your wild
accusations against a Goan historian and unsupported speculations about Goan
history. Could you please do that? Not doing so
Hi Dan,
I was really disappointed with your response below. However, I compliment and
salute you for your forthright honesty. You are a gentleman.
It appears you quote what others parrot without the authors providing specific
references and cross-checks. And I am surprised that this goes
--- On Thu, 5/6/10, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote:
It appears you quote what others parrot without the authors providing
specific references and cross-checks.
Isn't this exactly what Gilbert is doing here? Has he provided specific quotes
to back up his own wild speculations
Sorry to disappoint. British Education is without peer. I was brought up in
Eastern Canada, where there is still some catching up to do!
On 5/7/10, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Dan,
I was really disappointed with your response below. However, I compliment
and salute you
Hi Dan,
After telling us about your extensive reading occasioned by an editing job I
was asked to do involving historical writing and that you are fairly
knowledgeable about SFX and the Inquisition, you turned tail when requested to
back your information / hypothesis with factual data and
I guess I should add, by way of closure for myself on this, that the 'double
post' was also result of my amateurism with p.c. protocols. As you may
notice, the two compositions were done within minutes of each other, because
I thought that the first 'send' attempt went to some kind of cyber black
Dear Dan,
Allow me first to state that I appreciated your SFX-Inquisition
posting even though I disagree with the premise you utilised before
arriving to a possible hypothesis.
I personally believe that Gilbert is being quite unreasonable in
trying to cross examine you because you have a
Hi Dan,
I am responding to a point because you wrote it twice, (see below) and as you
edit historical articles; on which likely you pass mustard.
SFX's letters to the king in Lisbon and superiors in Rome, clearly reflect SFX
frustrations with the Portuguese colonial administration for:
1.
I guess I'll have to disappoint you. At age 80 yrs I may simply have to
'wallow in my hogwash'. I'm not able to come up with citations. Having gone
through several thousands of lines about the early colonial period I simply
had an intuitive feeling that even Xavier himself had less than cordial
Because of the wild accusations that the non-historian Gilbert has made against
the Goan historian Teotonio De Souza concerning the latter's Deccan Herald
Interview I had asked Gilbert to provide us with specific evidence for the
following:
1. That Teotonio R. De Souza misrepresented
Dear Teo,
Thanks for admitting to a very poor article / your interview in the Deccan
Herald. You have ducked the issue; which is the link and relation of SFX with
the Inquisition; which was made in the interview by you and the interviewer.
Below, you make a good point about the criminal
Hi Dan,
Thanks for corroborating that there is no evidence of SFX directly responsible
/ caused the Inquisition to be brought to Goa. The decision to introduce the
Inquisition to Goa in 1560 was made by the king in Lisboa, long after SFX left
Goa and died. As Teo rightly claims (see below)
Thanks, at least for noticing. I'm no academic, so do not want to be a
nuisance. I feel that this forum can admit of simple lay persons
impressions, not necessarily scientific documentation. Will have no further
comment. Will try to be guided and profit from your more expert opinions.
On 5/4/10,
The post appended below is not very intellectually honest. There is nothing in
the answers provided by Teotoniobab in the interview that can be considered a
misrepresentation. The only thing that is wrong with the interview as published
is its inappropriate title. The burden of justifying the
I think Gilbert's challenge that SFX left Goa, before the Inquisition was
introduced has not been answered below. Instead what one reads is typical
rigmarole defending the interview. This is a true provocative interview by the
interviewer and interviewee and fodder for the extremist camp who
Gilbert wrote:
.«..writers like Devika should for a minimum give us the time-line of
when SFX left Goa, when he died and when the Inquisition came to Goa.?
Then any second grader in school can see the fallacy / hollowness of
the connection, however intriguing that may sound.? Keep up
this?'good'
Having done quite a bit of editing work for writing on Goan historical
topics I would venture an opinion on this. Without getting into any of the
basic pros and cons, concerning rationale for how and why things were done,
I would say that the relationship between implementation of the
I think Dan's post is a further provocation since it produces more speculation
on the topic. Dan probably comes from a Protestant background who were known to
dislike the Catholics and their missionaries.
It is believed that the British also wanted to convert the Hindus in the sub
continent
On 3 May 2010 12:38, DAN DRISCOLL driscoll@gmail.com wrote:
[1] I would say that the relationship between implementation of the
inquisitiorial policy in the Region and the dating of Xavier's departure and
eventual death need not at all negate his influence in the matter.
[2] I suspect that
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Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 14:07:27 -0700 (PDT)
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Teo should realize
Gilbert wrote:
Not too long ago, I thought there was progress on the truth
about the Inquisition, when Teo headlined one of his
original post / thread as Inquisition for Colonial
Disciplining.?
This is a strange assertion. How can one claim progress is being made on the
truth about the
From the Deccan Herald interview, and other articles by Teo, the logic appears
as follows:
SFX is guilty of the Inquisition and its excesses in Goa, unless SFX is proven
innocent.
To prove his (SFX) innocence requires study of his work and documents on the
Inquisition in Goa.
Study of the
Teo should realize that the targets of his (Teo's) criticism are not there to
defend themselves. So for a minimum their actions should be given the benefit
of the doubt and certainly not distorted with some clever phraseology; that
pushes the falsity to the line, under the guise that the truth
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