--- On Sun, 6/28/09, Eddie Fernandes ed...@fernandes.u-net.com wrote:
Now, suppose you tell us your views on
2. The retrospective action of the Goa Government in
suspending property transactions of foreigners and threatening to
confiscate them.
I would be outraged that a previously legal
Hi Karen Young,
It is unfortunate that the govt is trying to confiscate the property you
legitimately purchased. If you have registered the properety and you possess
all the relevant documents, , then you all should band yourselves
together and seek legal counsel without delay, What has been
the world, can foreigners,
especially these British families be allowed to buy properties?
(3) Why do the Brits want to buy property in Goa, while Goans throughout the
world are not interested??
Regards
From: ignatius fernandes
Subject: [Goanet] Treatment of British
Folks,
Today the Economic Times of India carries a highly relevant update on the
question of foreign owned property in Goa. The paper reports that the Goa
Government has been denied the power to declare legitimate past purchases
illegal and are proposing to take a different route! To my
Hi Romeo Ferns,
Easily said than done.
When the East Africans/ Kenyans in particular applied to come to India.
India refused them entry saying that you have a British Passport - Go to
Britain.
Alternatively, give up your BP.
Feeling sorry for the British now is not fair, just because they are
Pardon me if my thinking on this issue is a bit 'clouded';I had all along
assumed that the discussion was not so much about foreigners
pushing up the price of property(or fish for that matter!), to the detriment
of the
indigenous Goans, but rather, the sad plight of those British expatriates
who,
Fred,
What exactly is need based buying? Who determines who needs and who does not
need? Furthermore, are you really sure you are really reflecting the views of
the local side? What about the locals who wants to sell their property at the
highest price possible? Why do you wish to restrict
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From: Cajetan Alvares cajul...@googlemail.com
To: goa...@goanet.org
Sent: Saturday, 27 June, 2009 6:34:52 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Treatment of British families in Goa
J. Colaco said:
I have been reading these posts about these innocents and how, onthe other
hand, East African Goans were
2009/6/28 Eddie Fernandes ed...@fernandes.u-net.com
and registered the Government should not act retrospectively. Gabe Menezes
has provided the Cidade de Goa instance as an example of local thinking.
You guys talk about local thinking. But what about expat thinking?
Isn't it strange that
I believe that both Eddie and Frederick are making very valid points -
which do not have to be mutually exclusive.
Eddie's first point is an universally accepted (in democratic
countries) that a Law should not penalise a person for an act done (in
good faith) before the law (which now places
For the first time I agree with F.N. (Fredrick Noronha)
that nobody cares about the indigenous Goans who
cannot afford to buy their own homes in Goa.
After working hard all their life in Goa.
It is the Brits and Bharatis who come down from
Mumbai and Delhi and buy all these ancestral
homes and
Dear Frederick,
You write: But what about expat thinking?
I had written (deleted by you):
I accept the need for any country to restrict the sale of
property to foreigners...
I could go further - we have a part of the UK where UK nationals from other
parts of the country are not allowed to buy
Not just British families, but ANYONE who wants to buy property in Goa has to
go through excruciating bureaucratic processes to complete a fairly simple
transaction. The process if everything is in order, can take over one year !
I dont want to take the bandwidth to describe the lengthy
- Original Message
From: Mervyn Elsie Maciel mervynels.watuwasha...@googlemail.com
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 12:28:43 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Treatment of British Families in Goa
I agree wholeheartedly with Tony de Sa's comments.Where property has been
acquired
Mervyn Maciel wrote:
[1] If, however, they have gone through reputable and registered
lawyers and Estate Agents, then I feel the onus of responsibility
should lie on the shoulders of the latter.
[2] I do not in any way wish to appear to be siding with the Brits,
but I think there is such a
2009/6/27 J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com
Eddie Fernandes asked two questions: The answers are as follows. A
private member's bill if voted upon and passed by Parliament - becomes
law, and Laws in democratic countries are not retroactive.
BTW: never mind the spiel in the bill What is
Dear Gabe,
Without commenting on whether the Cidade de Goa accommodation was
just or not, 'grand-fathering' is an instrument which is used by many
countries to 'regularise' something irregular done in the past. Even
in UK law, one is likely to find evidence of that.
That, I submit, is different
] Treatment of British families in Goa
Hi Eddie
First you state everyone has missed the point. Then you write The Goa
Government intends to introduce a law to make legitimate past purchases
unlawful!. Can you please point to the Times of India article where that is
stated? I fail to see where
In my personal opinion, Goans are not objecting to British families having
second homes in Goa per se. The real issues involved here are 1) the
illegal purchases of Goan homes 2) the scarcity of Goan land resources 3)
the creation of gated communities.
I will qualify that all purchases are not
Absolutely true that, Tony.
Well said
floriano
goasuraj
- Original Message -
From: Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com
To: Goa's Premiere Mailing List, Estd 1994 goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:56 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Treatment of British families in Goa
In my
Hi I am one of the British who bought property in Goa after visiting for
years,please sign our petition to the British Government and help us.If we
loose our home in Goa we loose all our savings and pension fund.
Thank you
From all the British who have bought
Karen
Cornel DaCosta: Goa
Folks,
It is heartening that there has been interest shown on GoaNet regarding the
treatment of British families in Goa even though everyone has missed the
point: The Goa Government intends to introduce a law to make legitimate past
purchases unlawful!
MP Shantaram Naik says that he has
J. Colaco said:
I have been reading these posts about these innocents and how, onthe other
hand, East African Goans were able to buy houses etc in theUK.
-
Well, Hi All,
East African Goans have British Passports. Their Grandfathers had BP.
If the British can give up their British Passport and
I agree wholeheartedly with Tony de Sa's comments.Where property has been
acquired illegally, by all means, let the culprits -
be they politicians, lawyers or whoever, face the rigors of the law.
Some Brits may well have been gullible and trusted their host advisers.
If, however, they have
While I agree with Cajetan that the East African Goans who bought
property in the UK were UK nationals (some albeit overseas UK passport
holders)- this, I submit is not an area of equivalence.
The UK citizens have not bought primary residencies in Goa, they have
invested in 'winter' holiday
Hi Eddie
First you state everyone has missed the point. Then you write The Goa
Government intends to introduce a law to make legitimate past purchases
unlawful!. Can you please point to the Times of India article where that is
stated? I fail to see where it stated LEGITIMATE past deals will
As a Goan, I was ashamed to read of the plight of innocent British families
who, havingfollowed the proper procedures and legitimately bought property
in Goa, now find themselves
being hounded by the authorities, and risk losing these properties
.
I hope their Petition to Prime Minister Gordon
Those British families who have chosen to retire in Goa, either build new homes
or buy old homes for renovation, and generally improve the neighborhood. I
have seen many formerly dilapidated homes being taken over, renovated, and
beautiful gardens planted and flower boxes or pots placed.
The
I have been reading these posts about these innocents and how, on
the other hand, East African Goans were able to buy houses etc in the
UK.
There is no doubt that many of these individuals have positively
developed the - about to collapse - houses. Many immigrants have done
the same in the UK and
Yes, some Goan agents are unscrupulous but I have learnt some (many?) of the UK
buyers were aware of the residency requirements and rules but took their
chances with paying off (bribes) as necessary. Now they are crying foul.
Additionally, ignorance of the law is no excuse.
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