Re: [go-nuts] Re: Building a Package With Multiple Subdirectories?

2022-11-22 Thread jlfo...@berkeley.edu
It might indeed make more sense to fix the cyclic dependencies. I'm not even sure there will be any. I'm just trying to anticipate possible problems. Thanks, Jon On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:37:20 PM UTC-8 chri...@aperture.us wrote: > Doesn't it make more sense to fix the cyclic dependen

Re: [go-nuts] Re: Building a Package With Multiple Subdirectories?

2022-11-22 Thread 'Christian Stewart' via golang-nuts
Doesn't it make more sense to fix the cyclic dependencies rather than hack the go compiler and make it do something it wasn't designed to do? Best regards, Christian On Tue, Nov 22, 2022, 4:44 PM jlfo...@berkeley.edu wrote: > The reason I'm asking this question is because, as a learning exercis

[go-nuts] Re: Building a Package With Multiple Subdirectories?

2022-11-22 Thread jlfo...@berkeley.edu
The reason I'm asking this question is because, as a learning exercise, I'm trying to rewrite several large existing applications in Go. These have been around a while and have a very sensible source subdirectory layout, sometimes with multiple levels of subdirectories. My initial approach was

[go-nuts] Solver for mixed integer programing in pure go

2022-11-22 Thread ChrisLu
Hi, Are there any pure-go solver for mixed integer programming? Specifically, I am looking for a replacement of SCIP solver in Google's OR-tool. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "golang-nuts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop rec

[go-nuts] Re: Go 1.20 release date

2022-11-22 Thread ben...@gmail.com
You can also use the "gotip" command (https://pkg.go.dev/golang.org/dl/gotip) to pull the latest, unreleased version from the Go development tree. -Ben On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 2:24:12 AM UTC+13 Amnon wrote: > Feb 2023 is a good bet. > > On Tuesday, 22 November 2022 at 10:24:07 UTC p

Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 11:31 AM Ayan George wrote: > > For me this is as much if not more of a communications issue than a technical > one. It seems like the definition of what an OO language is broad enough > that we could go on forever about if Go is one. > > The language developers can also

Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread 'Dan Kortschak' via golang-nuts
On Tue, 2022-11-22 at 10:16 -0800, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 10:11 AM Robert Engels > wrote: > > > > I do not know why the mailing list is set up as the sender is the > > user. Is should always have the sender be the list email and the > > name be the user, or the sender de

Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread Ayan George
Great points. For me this is as much if not more of a communications issue than a technical one. It seems like the definition of what an OO language is broad enough that we could go on forever about if Go is one. The language developers can also choose to declare what it is meant to be defini

[go-nuts] Google’s Go style guide published

2022-11-22 Thread 'Gaal Yahas' via golang-nuts
Hi Go community, We've released Google's style documentation for Go: https://google.github.io/styleguide/go/. These are the house rules that Google uses to write Go code internally. The intention in publishing this is to help collaborators on Google open source projects, and to provide a startin

Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 10:11 AM Robert Engels wrote: > > I do not know why the mailing list is set up as the sender is the user. Is > should always have the sender be the list email and the name be the user, or > the sender details included elsewhere. I don’t have this problem in any other > l

Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread 'Thomas Bushnell BSG' via golang-nuts
Late binding means you don't need to know the types of your parameters *at all* when you write a method call. If the language supported late binding, then you would be able to define all your variables as Object and *everything would continue to work*. In Go you could define everything as interfac

Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread 'Thomas Bushnell BSG' via golang-nuts
Both Java and Go require that a method be instantiated in the declared interface of the type at compile time. This is contrary to the point of late binding. In the case of Go, this cannot be detected, because everything is built together. But with Java, you cannot call a method on an object unless

Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread Matt KØDVB
I didn't say Java didn't have late binding, but that it didn't have late binding of every possible type (the "all things" in Kay's quote). On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 10:25 AM Robert Engels wrote: > Why do you say that Java does not have late binding. It 100% does. In fact > the JVM supports dynamic

Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread Robert Engels
The wiki page on late binding discusses the Java facilities in depth. It also misses things like runtime proxy interfaces. > On Nov 22, 2022, at 10:25 AM, Robert Engels wrote: > >  > Why do you say that Java does not have late binding. It 100% does. In fact > the JVM supports dynamic dispat

Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread Robert Engels
Why do you say that Java does not have late binding. It 100% does. In fact the JVM supports dynamic dispatch to make this as efficient as possible. Then the JIT optimizes it even more based on runtime behavior. > On Nov 22, 2022, at 10:18 AM, Matt KØDVB wrote: > >  > But see https://en.wikip

Fwd: Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread Jan Mercl
Hello Ian, I have repeatedly asked this user to not use an email address that spambots back for posting to this list - to no avail, unfortunately. I think you are the moderator of this ML. I suggest banning posts from . Thanks for consideration. To Robert (not CC'ing you for obvious reasons): Yo

Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread Matt KØDVB
But see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_(programming_language) Self was considered an OO language back when I was a grad student and is still listed that way today, even though it has neither classes nor inheritance. Anyway, my point would be that the term OO originates with Alan Kay and the t

Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread 'Thomas Bushnell BSG' via golang-nuts
Asking "the definition of object oriented programming" seems a bad idea to me. Alan Kay invented the term, and he was pretty clear that C++ was not anything like what he had in mind, and yet, a lot of people think C++ is an object oriented language. I don't, as it happens. Inheritance used to be t

Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread Robert Engels
The wiki OO page lists classes as a requirement - but not necessarily inheritance. Class variables require classes. Also, your link does not work. > On Nov 22, 2022, at 9:56 AM, Jan Mercl <0xj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 4:43 PM Robert Engels wrote: > >> Go is not list

Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread Jan Mercl
On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 4:43 PM Robert Engels wrote: > Go is not listed as an OO language on Wikipedia. Check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(programming_language): "ParadigmMulti-paradigm: concurrent imperative, object-oriented[1][2]" > Personally I think it is OO-like. OO typically has inhe

Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread Robert Engels
Also, there is an interesting point about OO languages made by Rob Pike (on the wiki page) that would also imply that Go is not OO by design. > On Nov 22, 2022, at 9:43 AM, Robert Engels wrote: > >  > Go is not listed as an OO language on Wikipedia. > > Personally I think it is OO-like. OO

Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread Robert Engels
Go is not listed as an OO language on Wikipedia. Personally I think it is OO-like. OO typically has inheritance. There are also no “class variables” - only package level - which makes some encapsulation patterns harder (every class has to become a package). > On Nov 22, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Mat

Re: [go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread Matt KØDVB
The correct answer is actually “yes” because neither classes nor inheritance are necessary or sufficient for “object-oriented” programming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jexEpE7Yv2A Sent from my iPad > On Nov 22, 2022, at 9:02 AM, Ayan George wrote: > >  > > The Go FAQ begins the answer t

[go-nuts] clarifying Go FAQ: Is Go an object-oriented language?

2022-11-22 Thread Ayan George
The Go FAQ begins the answer to the question, "Is Go an object-oriented language," with, "yes and no." https://go.dev/doc/faq#Is_Go_an_object-oriented_language The section goes on to say that Go has methods but there is no type hierarchy. I guess those are the yes and no. But I feel like prog

[go-nuts] Re: Building a Package With Multiple Subdirectories?

2022-11-22 Thread Amnon
Don't do it. Don't fight the Go tools. Use them the way they are intended. They are your friends. Put all your package files in a single directory. Or break them up into multiple packages. That is the way everyone else write Go. If you follow the convention, your life will be simpler, and your c

[go-nuts] Re: Go 1.20 release date

2022-11-22 Thread Amnon
Feb 2023 is a good bet. On Tuesday, 22 November 2022 at 10:24:07 UTC piotr.w...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, > > is the date of the 1.20 release roughly known? I need some goodies it > promises to provide. > > Best regards, Piotr > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[go-nuts] Re: Proposal for change type Duration int64

2022-11-22 Thread Nikhilesh Susarla
Got it. I was wrong. time.NewTicker would panic if duration is negative. But if the duration is used widely in negative then fine :) Thank you for correcting On Tuesday, 22 November 2022 at 16:03:58 UTC+5:30 Volker Dobler wrote: > On Tuesday, 22 November 2022 at 11:28:15 UTC+1 nikhil...@gmai

Re: [go-nuts] Proposal for change type Duration int64

2022-11-22 Thread Shulhan
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 02:28:14 -0800 (PST) Nikhilesh Susarla wrote: > Hi, > > type Duration int64 > > The current Duration is int64 and the duration value should never be > less than 0 else it will panic. It would be safe and advisable to > change it to uint64 or so, where at least it would not

[go-nuts] Re: Proposal for change type Duration int64

2022-11-22 Thread Volker Dobler
On Tuesday, 22 November 2022 at 11:28:15 UTC+1 nikhil...@gmail.com wrote: > [...] the duration value should never be less than 0 else it will panic > This statement is wrong, a negative time.Duration doesn't panic. (Maybe you are talking about time.Sleep?) Is there any reason for not using uint?

[go-nuts] Proposal for change type Duration int64

2022-11-22 Thread Nikhilesh Susarla
Hi, type Duration int64 The current Duration is int64 and the duration value should never be less than 0 else it will panic. It would be safe and advisable to change it to uint64 or so, where at least it would not cause panic. Is there any reason for not using uint? Thank you Susarla Nikhil

[go-nuts] Go 1.20 release date

2022-11-22 Thread Piotr Wyderski
Hi, is the date of the 1.20 release roughly known? I need some goodies it promises to provide. Best regards, Piotr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "golang-nuts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e