Re: [google-appengine] Re: non-existent support?

2012-01-29 Thread Robert Kluin
Google is definitely not known for having good support. However, I think they are obviously trying to improve on this front. I see new Googler's names propping up answering questions all the time, so the team is clearly growing. Voicing your concerns is probably good feedback for them. O

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Is App Engine suitable for write intensive applications?

2012-01-29 Thread Robert Kluin
Hi Andrei, I just wanted to comment on one little thing in addition to all the stuff Jeff said. I'd not suggest using the task-queue to do all writes by default, but it is a good idea. I would suggest that you try the write, then if you hit an exception (over quota, timeout, deadline, internal

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Question about Data Store Read operations

2012-01-29 Thread Robert Kluin
Are you using sessions? On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 05:37, Andrew Osipenko wrote: > Hi Frank, > > Have you solved it? > > I have nearly the same problem. > > I think that appstats do not count some datastore read operations. I thought > my application accessed datastore during intialization befor

Re: [google-appengine] Not able to start Launcher on Ubuntu Natty

2012-01-29 Thread Robert Kluin
Hey Vijay, You should post the full error, including the exception info and stack trace. It is very hard to debug issues without full and accurate information. Robert On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 01:04, Vijay wrote: > - With Python 2.7, I was able to start ./GoogleAppEngineLauncher.py > but c

Re: [google-appengine] Any one have a copy of the letter Google Sent to Users of Optional Services?

2012-01-29 Thread Robert Kluin
I've received a number of the "admin" versions (like what you've posted), but I have yet to see a user version (though I am only a user on several apps domains as well). You'd think people working at a company like Google would be nerdy enough to know that one-ring-to-rule-them-all never works out

Re: [google-appengine] Re: 'Flush' Like "I'm tapping out but keep working" in Python?

2012-01-29 Thread Robert Kluin
Hey Steve, The DEFAULT_APP_VERSION var was added so that you could send a task to whatever version is currently marked as default. Without it there was no way to target a task at the current default version of your app. You'd want to use it if you have, for example, a backend that inserts tasks

[google-appengine] Re: non-existent support?

2012-01-29 Thread MG
On Jan 29, 6:04 pm, "Brandon Wirtz" wrote: > While I have made fun of the support plan, don't think that it is because it > "is not much better" it just isn't what most people think. They aren't going > to reach in and re-write your code, and if you are on MS it doesn't > magically fix those lim

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Is App Engine suitable for write intensive applications?

2012-01-29 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
There are really only two hard issues that will limit your write rate, assuming adequate budget: 1) Limit of one write per second per entity group. This one is usually really easy to work around; just break your app up into many entity groups. Most apps tend to naturally break down by user or by

RE: [google-appengine] Re: non-existent support?

2012-01-29 Thread Brandon Wirtz
While I have made fun of the support plan, don't think that it is because it "is not much better" it just isn't what most people think. They aren't going to reach in and re-write your code, and if you are on MS it doesn't magically fix those limitations. If you have down time, likely there is an ou

[google-appengine] Re: Is App Engine suitable for write intensive applications?

2012-01-29 Thread Andrei-Ştefăniţă Cocorean
I think my initial message was a bit unclear. I meant that each client sends on average 1 post/minute and the system has to support several thousand clients. Hundreds of writes per second may not be that far away in the future. Do you know some best practices in order to sustain the rates you ment

Re: [google-appengine] User Specific DB

2012-01-29 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:37 AM, pete7373 wrote: > Also, if all businesses share > same datastore, the tables will get very big which may slow things down. FYI, this is not an issue with the GAE datastore. Your data already lives in a very, very large table along with terabytes (petabytes?) of o

Re: [google-appengine] 手机验证问题

2012-01-29 Thread Amy Unruh
hi, I can't read the first part of your message :), but fill out this form if you are having sms verification issues: https://appengine.google.com/waitlist/sms_issues 2012/1/29 彼岸之美,在于彼岸之无渡。 > 我很早以前就已经注册并创建了goagent程序了 现在我想多创建几个出来 。但怎么提示我还要输入手机号码验证呢?我的号码已经验证过了 不能在次 > 验证了呀。 不是说只是首次需要手机短信验证吗? > T

[google-appengine] 手机验证问题

2012-01-29 Thread 彼岸之美,在于彼岸之无渡。
我很早以前就已经注册并创建了goagent程序了 现在我想多创建几个出来 。但怎么提示我还要输入手机号码验证呢?我的号码已经验证过了 不能在次 验证了呀。 不是说只是首次需要手机短信验证吗? The phone number has been sent too many messages or has already been used to confirm an -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post

Re: [google-appengine] User Specific DB

2012-01-29 Thread Amy Unruh
hi, You can use namespaces to support multitenancy -- see this page for more information: http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/python/multitenancy/overview.html On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:37 PM, pete7373 wrote: > I would like each user of my application to have their own separate DB > instance.

[google-appengine] User Specific DB

2012-01-29 Thread pete7373
I would like each user of my application to have their own separate DB instance. This is because each user comes from different business and so I don't want any risk of user A seeing data from user B (which could happen if query forgot to say where owningUser = 'xyz'. Also, if all businesses

[google-appengine] Re: (mostly) Consistent 20-second delay in starting backend tasks

2012-01-29 Thread pdknsk
I haven't tried setting countdown. It's too slow for the mail queue anyway. It might work on the other backend (mentioned in the bug). I've moved most code away from backends though. > *- After first minute of the batch run, Task Queue Details page > consistently shows 6-8 tasks run in last minute

[google-appengine] Re: (mostly) Consistent 20-second delay in starting backend tasks

2012-01-29 Thread Dave Loomer
Interesting. I saw your thread but wasn't entirely sure if it was the issue. I think the thing that threw me off was that your delays were being reflected in the request ms in the logs, while in my case they mostly aren't. Does setting the task countdown work for you? Or is ~1 second delay still t

[google-appengine] Re: (mostly) Consistent 20-second delay in starting backend tasks

2012-01-29 Thread pdknsk
I had the same problem, with often quite exact 20 seconds delays. More details in this thread. http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/browse_thread/thread/e5588268dff9b97a In another configuration, the delay increased to several minutes. Please star this bug. http://code.google.com/p/go

[google-appengine] Re: non-existent support?

2012-01-29 Thread Shane Elbo
If you have read what people say about the "Premium" support service, you should know that its not much better neither. It could still take days to just get a reply. If you want a service with official support, AppEngine is not where you should go. -- You received this message because you a

[google-appengine] non-existent support?

2012-01-29 Thread MG
Hello! It appears that to get any support from Google a company has to purchase a very expensive support plan. Regularly billed apps get nothing - real production issues (e.g. indexes stuck in "error", even with vacuum attempts) that affect app behavior don't get any attention for hours or even da

[google-appengine] Re: Question about Data Store Read operations

2012-01-29 Thread Andrew Osipenko
Hi Frank, Have you solved it? I have nearly the same problem. I think that appstats do not count some datastore read operations. I thought my application accessed datastore during intialization before appstat filter is being invoked. But I can't find anything bad during my app initialization.

[google-appengine] Re: Consistently getting inconsistent reads in GAE Java DataStore

2012-01-29 Thread Rémi Bastide
Thanks to you all for the input. However, I'm quite surprised : - I disabled "Local HRD support" in "Appengine properties" (I'm using Eclipse plugin) - The app now appears to work normally (i.e showing no stale data) when run locally - My appengine app bastide07 indicates " Ma

[google-appengine] Re: Consistently getting inconsistent reads in GAE Java DataStore

2012-01-29 Thread Simon Knott
Gets by key always return consistent data, unless you specifically force it to be eventually consistent. Similarly, ancestor queries on the HR datastore always give you the correct data. Both are wrapped in transactions in the background, I believe. The overview on http://code.google.com/appe

Re: [google-appengine] How to think about the Datastore

2012-01-29 Thread Magnus Gunnarsson
Thanks Ikai. I'll probably go for your suggestion, and try to cache the indexes in MemCache. There are different kinds of searches: 1. String search in the spoken language translations of the signs. Most often that is start-of-string, but it could also be end or part of string. There are also

[google-appengine] Not able to start Launcher on Ubuntu Natty

2012-01-29 Thread Vijay
- With Python 2.7, I was able to start ./GoogleAppEngineLauncher.py but could not create a project as it throwed a error saying, cannot copy templates --- After reading some link found that, SDK supports python 2.5 -- Installed Pyton 2.5.2 --- tried installing python-wxgtk2.5 python-wxtools

[google-appengine] Deployment failure with Python SDK 1.6.1

2012-01-29 Thread Aaron Steele
Hey Everyone, I'm seeing a strange deployment error when uploading my app via "appcfg.py update -V test ." with Python SDK 1.6.1 and Python 2.7.2+ on Ubuntu: Cloning 212 static files. Cloned 100 files. Cloned 200 files. Cloning 25 application files. Rolling back the update. Error 400: --- begin